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Being set apart from peers by sitting in a different chair means "their peers recognize them as large, different," said Dr. Phil Wu, a pediatrician who leads Kaiser Permanente's pediatric obesity prevention and treatment effort.
"At all ages, kids don't want to feel different," Wu said. "They get ostracized by the peers in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. It's more of that social psychological impact that's insidious in a way that's more profound than what the child might experience than sitting in a standard seat."
Obese children outgrowing school furniture.
I'm so appalled by this that I'm virtually speechless. Firstly, how can schools possibly not see the obvious-- that the longer they keep chucking cupcakes and candy at kids, THE FATTER THEIR STUDENTS ARE GETTING??
Secondly, why is it thatQuoteBeing set apart from peers by sitting in a different chair means "their peers recognize them as large, different," said Dr. Phil Wu, a pediatrician who leads Kaiser Permanente's pediatric obesity prevention and treatment effort.
"At all ages, kids don't want to feel different," Wu said. "They get ostracized by the peers in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. It's more of that social psychological impact that's insidious in a way that's more profound than what the child might experience than sitting in a standard seat."
It's not okay for a kid whose own CHOICES (mostly) have placed them in that position to feel "unhappy" and "excluded" by peers...
No, that would be WRONG, since it would by pschologically harmful to do that to a child...
but it's just fine and dandy for food allergic children (whose own behavior DOES NOT lead to their circumstances) to be systematically excluded and ridiculed by activities which are mostly not even educationally relevant to START with??!!?
WOW. Irony, much? I mean, this is freaking surreal. The amount of cognitive dissonance needed to do this particular sleight-of-hand on the part of educators is truly... mind-boggling in scope.
Maybe if you are morbidly obese... you should feel a bit motivated to do something to change that, yes? That's not the same thing as being hobbled by rhuematoid arthritis, struggling with a learning disability, or being legally blind.
If schools were routinely contributing to any of those latter three conditions, there would be a tremendous public outcry DEMANDING that it cease. Obesity? Not so much, apparently. :insane: Apparently kids should just "say no" to cupcakes if they are already eating too much and moving too little. Heaven forbid that Mrs. Feelgood, the junk-food pusher masquerading as an over-the-top class mom or teacher, should be told "stop it" for ANY reason... or that instead of food, we encouraged physical activity in kids as a reward. :bonking:
I just have to wonder where the disconnect is for educators in this country. It's disgusting on so many levels that it's hard to even articulate. :disappointed:
Her efforts are working. At a time when approximately one-third of American children are overweight or obese, McDonald’s kids are at healthy weights.
So why is every day still a struggle for the blogger and mother of five?
“I have had to deal with teachers who hand out Skittles, candy bars, lollipops and giant frosted sugar cookies to the children in class … before 10 a.m.,” McDonald says. “I think this is setting kids up for failure and un-teaching the healthy habits I have instilled.”
The fact that doughnuts and cupcakes are given out as a reward after soccer practice or dance class is a paradoxical hurdle in the fight against childhood obesity. As doctors and parents struggle to encourage healthy behaviors, our sugar-filled, sedentary surroundings resist every step.
Think about it, says Dr. Stephen Daniels, chief pediatrician at Children’s Hospital Colorado. Every day kids are exposed to advertising about fast food instead of home-cooked meals. They’re surrounded by vending and soda machines at school. They have hundreds of channels on TV, own three video game systems and live in neighborhoods that were built without sidewalks.
It's as though they are being willfully ignorant of reality itself, on some level.
QuoteIt's as though they are being willfully ignorant of reality itself, on some level.
I'd have to say that you hit the nail on the head. These are the same administrators who are ignorant of the risks of food in the classroom to FA kids and ignorant to the impact that repeated exclusion has on these students. I've always been astounded that it has never seemed to dawn on teachers and administrators the serious negative impact to the trust an FA student has with a teacher when the teacher chooses to support food in the classroom and how this impacts learning (would you want to go the extra mile for someone who is not entirely supportive of you?).
...When I think of how trim I was in middle school compared to now and then look at a classroom and can see between four and six 12- 13 yearolds who are at least as big as me NOW, it is heart breaking where will they be at my age (if they even make it that far)?
It is so much easier to maintain a healthy body weight than to regain it. If only they could see and understand the long-term.
...When I think of how trim I was in middle school compared to now and then look at a classroom and can see between four and six 12- 13 yearolds who are at least as big as me NOW, it is heart breaking where will they be at my age (if they even make it that far)?
It is so much easier to maintain a healthy body weight than to regain it. If only they could see and understand the long-term.
I'm with you, sister, right with you! This is what I see too.
I've read or heard this from 3 people (trainers or people in that field) in the last three months. 80% of our physique is what we put in our mouths, 10% genetics, 10% exercise.
Frustrated by the fact that no matter how much time you log on the treadmill your body wants to stay the same size? Turns out your genes may be the reason. Researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden found that no amount of dieting will alter the number of fat-hoarding cells in our bodies. According to their findings published in the science journal Nature, it seems that the number of fat cells is predetermined during adolescence and stays the same later in life. How and where you store fat can’t be changed, and is one of the reasons why dieting doesn’t often work for many people.Read more at FYI Living: http://www.fyiliving.com/diet/weight-loss/dieting-verus-genetics-why-genes-influence-weight-loss/#ixzz1ms2rYCBg
Here's another point to ponder. Ryan says in gym class (in our district), they're doing away with games with "human" targets. Like Dodge Ball or Battle Ball! They have to use nerf-style balls but can't play those games. Kick balls aren't used anymore.
Here's part of the problem. Most of the kids like games like Dodge Ball or Battle Ball. All you need to do is move. No particular skills are necessary. The kids can still play Basketball and Soccer, but not all kids are skilled in those sports. Thus, some kids just lose interest. I wish gym class was like a small sampling of school which use heart monitors and have kids pick their activity with measurable progress to get an A. Gym classes are losing kids' interest at a time when it has never been more important.
Kolata concluded that it’s not a lack of a willpower that keeps us above our idealized target weight. ”Scientists know that animals and people have a range of weights that they can comfortably sustain. Each person’s range is different but any weight much above or below a person’s range is almost impossible to maintain.” There is no perfect diet, she insists. “In the end,” she adds, “no matter what the diet and no matter how hard they try, most people will not be able to lose a lot of weight and keep it off. They can lose a lot of weight and keep it off briefly, they can lose some weight and keep it off for a longer time, they can learn to control their eating, and they can learn the joy of regular exercise…The effort, the lifelong effort, can be rewarding. But true thinness is likely to elude them.”
So if you’re going to fixate on something, you’ll get better results with concentrating on eating the right kind of foods and getting regular exercise and letting your genes do their thing. Try not to get discouraged by this news, but rather know that you’re just as nature intended you.
Frustrated by the fact that no matter how much time you log on the treadmill your body wants to stay the same size? Turns out your genes may be the reason. Researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden found that no amount of dieting will alter the number of fat-hoarding cells in our bodies. According to their findings published in the science journal Nature, it seems that the number of fat cells is predetermined during adolescence and stays the same later in life. How and where you store fat can’t be changed, and is one of the reasons why dieting doesn’t often work for many people.
Ark, the kids can't even play Dodge Ball with a sponge ball! Yes, I did say sponge ball which is as light as a feather. The kids can only aim below the belt. If they hit higher, they are removed from the game. And now they can't even play that at all.
The new rules are far from "old school". When I was a kid, we'd throw anywhere from head to toe with something like a kick ball. I mean, if you got hit, chances are you got a bit of a sting. Get hit with a sponge ball below the belt? It's like nothing.
That even if you manage to do it, if you have to struggle to maintain it, it's probably not going to last.
Ive always said life threatening food allergies come with the fringe benefit of a healthier lifestyle. for the family unit, even. ironic, huh?
But kk, fitnees isnt measured in how someone looks in a size four vs a size six. trimming every last quarter inch, yk? at that point youre really setting your body up for a starvation setpoint. its going to fight back. if people worried more about a lifestyle instead of a twelve week diet and what they cant have and more abiut daily heakthy routines and choices. less focus on looks and deprivation. more on the benefits. i think becca does that wonderfully. splurges are okay. i mean real nitty gritty ones. it lets your bod know the end of the world isnt here yet. i truthfully dont want my daughters joy in life to stem from a cumulative loss of one inch. Theres a reason too skinny women often cease to have menses...
The only difference between my daughter and her friends-- a couple of whom already are overweight-- is that she doesn't eat a lot of junk and NOTHING in a school environment.
Does she eat fast food?
Sure, occasionally. VERY occasionally.
Does she eat "junk" food? Yes, again-- cookies, candy, chips, crackers. She has a tendency to binge, I might add, so we don't bring a lot of it home in the first place, since Dad also has this 'bingeing' trait.
What she does NOT do is live in a school environment that pushes food-food-food at her all day long. She does NOT eat and eat at every single youth activity she attends.
I think that is the secret to her slim physique, honestly. It's the secret that has most FA kids staying slim even if their peer cohort isn't. They have built in "willpower" that their peers do not.
“I think sometimes parents may be in denial, because no parent wants to hear negative things about their child, and research has shown parents of obese kids consistently underestimate their risk,” says Michelle Justus, program manager of the Arkansas Center for Health Improvement, which produces the state’s BMI measurement results. “Part of it’s the way our lifestyle is now. The norm is getting more and more overweight, so at first look a child may not seem overweight compared to the other kids in his class.”
CM--I think that sounds similar to how I grew up and long-term it wasn't good for me or my brothers. We had almost not access to junk food except on rare occasions. My mother didn't have it in the house. So, when we did get access to it we would overeat. We were so conditioned to eat as much of that stuff as fast as we could due to our mother's strict rules. It didn't work well when we went off to college and had free access to all foods. I was so thin in my mothers house and would be now, too, because she was a lousy cook and I had almost no access to any candy or sweets or ice cream except a few times a year. I think we all try to avoid doing what was done to us so with me and DS I try to make treats no big deal. DS gets them a few times a week. He doesn't think of them as forbidden fruit the way I did and doesn't overeat.
DS is thin and I have had to TRY to fatten him up. It's tricky. He just isn't very into food and takes after his father's side of the family in that. The stress when he was too thin was hard and then everyone would say, "oh, he looks so good! He is nice and thin!" not realizing he was too thin and losing weight--not ever good for kids his age.
I have a friend who gives her kids treats daily but it is like ONE Hershey's kiss after lunch and another after dinner or two Oreos in the afternoon and that's it. I saw her kids take 4 or 5 cookies each once and she got very upset with them. They know that treats are things to eat in moderation and I think that will be lasting for her kids. They have learned moderation, something I didn't learn. Portion size, moderation, etc are all very important IMO.The only difference between my daughter and her friends-- a couple of whom already are overweight-- is that she doesn't eat a lot of junk and NOTHING in a school environment.
Does she eat fast food?
Sure, occasionally. VERY occasionally.
Does she eat "junk" food? Yes, again-- cookies, candy, chips, crackers. She has a tendency to binge, I might add, so we don't bring a lot of it home in the first place, since Dad also has this 'bingeing' trait.
What she does NOT do is live in a school environment that pushes food-food-food at her all day long. She does NOT eat and eat at every single youth activity she attends.
I think that is the secret to her slim physique, honestly. It's the secret that has most FA kids staying slim even if their peer cohort isn't. They have built in "willpower" that their peers do not.
Yeah-- I think that kids who live with Draconian food police parents probably aren't much better off than those with garbage-gut parents.
It is much harder when our kids see so very much more prevelant unhealthy USE of food now, though.
I find it horrifying that sugary, fatty foods are "necessary" after a short amount of moderate physical activity... just horrifying. What ever happened to... um... water for hydration (barring extreme temperature or exertion, I mean)....
Because I'm thinking that 16 oz. of Gatorade and a bag of Doritos pretty much more than makes up for half an hour of sporadic activity at 2nd grade soccer practice. :dunce:
Nevermind the "smarties" for "smarties" who get an A on a ten minute spelling test.
When one adds up all that stuff over the course of a year, it's really surreal. I did the math once over at the old site. It was absolutely stunning how my guesses for frequency and caloric content added up pretty much PERFECTLY to the average excess weight that kids are carrying around by the end of adolescence. :-[ It's about 12 pounds. Per kid.
Ark, I am the type that if someone had talked to me that way it would have caused me to have an eating disorder. Kids who tend to OCD probably can't take the 'that will make you fat' talk very well.
My parents focused too much on my weight, told me how good I looked when I was thin, talked about weight a lot and I think that was a large part of why I did have an eating disorder as a teen and at the start of college. What got me over it was focusing on healthy eating, not weight. I'd rather be a little overweight and eating-disorder free than thin and have an eating disorder.
I don't think too many would do well with being told they are going to get fat.
I hope it will work for you.
I No one would have know it wasn't working well for me -- I was one of the thinnest girls in highs school, in super good shape from working out and a great athlete. I stayed relatively thin, although gained a lot in college was still on the thinner side compared to others. But I was messed up from how I was raised.
If i had a girl i wouldn't ever tell her she was fat or going to get fat. I would focus on portion size, healthy eating, healthy habits, exercise, etc.
Being set apart from peers by sitting in a different chair means "their peers recognize them as large, different," said Dr. Phil Wu, a pediatrician who leads Kaiser Permanente's pediatric obesity prevention and treatment effort.
"At all ages, kids don't want to feel different," Wu said. "They get ostracized by the peers in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. It's more of that social psychological impact that's insidious in a way that's more profound than what the child might experience than sitting in a standard seat."
Hmmmm....using that logic, I guess I shouldn't tell my kids that using street drugs can leave them brain damaged
My eating disorder was a direct result of how I was parented and the society I grew up in. My home was like a perfect environment if you wanted to cause a person to have an eating disorder. I was not responsible for it as a CHILD. As an adult I took responsibility and distanced myself from the things that triggered my problem and I got well. I'm responsible for myself as an adult, no matter how I was parented as a child and how much or how little I got messed up in childhood but children are not responsible for causing themselves to have eating disorders. Maybe somehow you were and if I heard your whole story I'd agree but in my case it was my parents , certainly and they produced 3 of us who were similarly messed up.
I wouldn't say being overweight is necessarily an eating disorder. In a lot of cases it's probably poor dietary habits and poor food choices.
I would never tell my daughters not to eat certain foods or how much because "they're going to get fat". I wouldn't use those words because it kind of puts a slant on if one is fat, they're a "less than".
I wouldn't use those words because it kind of puts a slant on if one is fat, they're a "less than".
Sometimes the truth needs to be told. Bluntly if necessary. It probably depends on the age of the child and how severe the problem is.
You are the person that is measuring every cm and counting down to bikini season, right? "Hot Mama" on the a** of your jeans? Or is some other person posting under your alias? :insane: Hey, at least I'm not sending mixed messages. My kids know they can take me at face value. No hidden meanings.
I have to ask....have you ever been fat? Like in rolls of it around your knees?
No, I'm not that person. I don't know what you are talking about. I can not measure every cm and it is only in the past few years I can stand to weigh myself. I know how big I am from what clothing size I wear and how I look. In the past if I thought of calories, pounds, inches or whatever it would trigger for me similar feelings I had when I had an eating disorder. I couldn't do it. I don't send my son 'mixed messages'. He knows I'm focused on fitness and health, I like to eat healthy foods, I don't eat much in the way of junk food and I exercise often.
I have been about 35-40 lbs over my ideal weight. (shrug) I have also had an EATING disorder. I have been both someone who didn't eat almost at all as well as the other end of the spectrum along with vomiting and the whole shebang. I haven't been doing either in over 20 years and plan to stay this way by continuing to NOT focus on FAT. That just gets ME into trouble. YMMV.
What initially triggered my eating disorder was my grandfather poked me in the stomach and called me fat when I was in 3rd grade. He said it in a very negative way. I didn't eat much the next year. From 3rd grade to 4th grade I didn't gain one single pound and didn't grow much because I essentially stopped eating. From them on I was very thin until college when I had access to all the junk food I wanted for the first time in my life. I couldn't handle that freedom as I hadn't been given it before.
In my case a single comment really did me in. Continued daily comments from my parents made things much worse. I would not discount the effect of calling a child fat in this culture.
It isn't about being honest or dishonest. it is about what works and what doesn't. If calling people fat worked there wouldn't be any fat people in America. What people who are overweight tend to say is that when people call them fat it makes them binge eat or sabotages their efforts to lose weight. It might work for some. I find a focus on being healthy, eating healthy foods, exercise, reasonable portion size, stopping eating not when full but when about 80 or 90% full, etc is much more effective for ME.
And what was that about 'hot mama' on the a** of my jeans? ??? Even when I was a show off in high school I woudln't have worn anything with writing on my butt. I'm not a bikini person, either. (shrug)
Are you seriously thinking of someone here who posts about this stuff or are you making this stuff up?
My kids get a chuckle out of milk choices, Ark. We are a skim milk family, and always have been. Most kids at their school are whole or 2% milk drinkers. They think skim milk is gross! My kids think whole or 2% is hard to drink, almost milkshake like and much prefer the easy drinking viscosity of skim milk.
Dietary habits start young I tell ya. And the type of milk is the perfect example. Grow up on skim and you'll love it. Grow up with fatty milk and you'll probably have a hard time switching to skim. Most of Ryan's friends won't touch skim milk.
I wouldn't use those words because it kind of puts a slant on if one is fat, they're a "less than".
You are the person that is measuring every cm and counting down to bikini season, right? "Hot Mama" on the a** of your jeans? Or is some other person posting under your alias? :insane: Hey, at least I'm not sending mixed messages. My kids know they can take me at face value. No hidden meanings.
I have to ask....have you ever been fat? Like in rolls of it around your knees?
fwiw, My daughter's teachers commented on her IEP that she not only values her friendships but is willing to make personal sacrifices for them. Put that in your blueberry cookies and chomp on it. ;D
And what was that about 'hot mama' on the a** of my jeans? ??? Even when I was a show off in high school I woudln't have worn anything with writing on my butt. I'm not a bikini person, either. (shrug)
Are you seriously thinking of someone here who posts about this stuff or are you making this stuff up?
um...lakeswimmer...you've misquoted a bunch of stuff. go back and look. I quoted kk, not you, and somehow you mixed up what looks like your reply to me and attributed my post to kk....
I think that it doesn't take that much to mess up GIRLS with regard to body issues in this country. I don't see too many women in this culture who I don't think have some amount of an eating disorder--not always a full fledged one but most seem to not be happy with their bodies and to be on a diet most of the time and have their feelings of self-worth tied very strongly to how they look and their weight. I would want to try to avoid that if I had a girl. It would be very difficult since most of society hyperfocuses on it and much of our country *is* overweight.
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I think it is great that you are teaching them to eat other things than junk if they are hungry and I'm not in your house so I haven't heard any of these conversations and maybe if I were there I would have a very different opinion. Internet doesn't always do a good job conveying what people mean.
kk....i dont have A CLUE as to why my husband tells me MY body turns him on. Im certainly not in the best physical shape of my life. I cant get near him without being molested.....lol!
His favorite line is : "You could be any shape you want to. You don't have a Butterface."
Friend b)? A loving and well-meaning mom who had cautioned her about "being fat" since her family had tendencies this direction. Hey, it worked fine on her four older brothers. Her parents couldn't understand why it had backfired with their youngest.
I think that it doesn't take that much to mess up GIRLS with regard to body issues in this country. I don't see too many women in this culture who I don't think have some amount of an eating disorder--not always a full fledged one but most seem to not be happy with their bodies and to be on a diet most of the time and have their feelings of self-worth tied very strongly to how they look and their weight. I would want to try to avoid that if I had a girl. It would be very difficult since most of society hyperfocuses on it and much of our country *is* overweight.
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I think it is great that you are teaching them to eat other things than junk if they are hungry and I'm not in your house so I haven't heard any of these conversations and maybe if I were there I would have a very different opinion. Internet doesn't always do a good job conveying what people mean.
Yes, this. Girls really do face cultural context there that boys... just.... don't.
I saw that-- on both sides-- as a teen. I looked like a damned Barbie doll as a teen, and it was pretty much effortless on my part-- I just had the right physique and my eating habits were profoundly NON-disordered at that point in time.
My best friend, well, she was "fat." I've discussed that one. My other two friends (also close friends) were; a) late bloomer who was tiny tiny tiny, and b) anorexic. Friend a) was desperate to gain enough weight so that she'd be heavy enough for military service. She ate a huge 1 lb bag of peanut m&m's weekly as a 'snack' out of her locker. (She became an air force dentist, btw. LOL)
Friend b)? A loving and well-meaning mom who had cautioned her about "being fat" since her family had tendencies this direction. Hey, it worked fine on her four older brothers. Her parents couldn't understand why it had backfired with their youngest. :-[
Not kidding.
kk....i dont have A CLUE as to why my husband tells me MY body turns him on. Im certainly not in the best physical shape of my life. I cant get near him without being molested.....lol!
His favorite line is : "You could be any shape you want to. You don't have a Butterface."
Duh! ;) You're a hot mom! Hotness is an attitude thing, not really a figure issue lol. Perfect example. Queen Latifah. Sexy and hot. ETA, he swoons when he gazes into your blue eyes, yes?
Said tongue-in-cheek...I just advertise that I'm hot when I'm not, until people actually believe it. Suckers...
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Not sure what that had to do with either of my friends who certainly were not enmeshed with parents.
Hon, I'm don't take offense with your jeans, just your denial that you have a preoccupation with size.
I think many girls who are susceptible to eating disorders probably suffer from low self esteem. That can cause a myriad of problems.
People with preoccupation with size: a lot of top models and actresses.
People with preoccupation with size: a lot of top models and actresses.
Among people I know I'd put it at about well over 90% of women who have a preoccupation with size to at least some degree-many to a very high degree.
A 5 year and 10 month old (female) child who is 59.0 pounds and 4 feet and 2 inches tall, has a body mass index of 16.6, which is at the 80.2th percentile and is considered to be a healthy weight.A 4 year old (female) child
who is 44 pounds
and is 3 feet and 7 inches tall has
a body mass index of 16.8,
which is at the 84th percentile,
and would indicate that your child is at a healthy weight. Keep in mind that it is still possible for a child to have an eating disorder even if they are at a healthy weight though.
This has some relevance to the discussion:
Savannah Hardin, 9, is seen in this image released by Etowah County Board of Education on February 22, 2012. Two Alabama women were accused of murder on Wednesday for allegedly killing a young girl by forcing her to run for three hours without stopping, authorities said. The running was apparently a punishment for Savannah Hardin, 9, who died on Monday.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/2-charged-death-ala-girl-forced-run-082216169.html[/url]
Yeah, BMI's for athletes can produce bogus BMI scores. Tools. Merely tools.
Vision is a pretty good tool also :) .
i think it was his 11 year check up . in his book it says he was 5'7" 137lbs.
i think it was his 11 year check up . in his book it says he was 5'7" 137lbs.
my daughter will probably be close to those numbers.
in sixth grade my older son was probably 175- 180 pounds. he really thinned out his freshman year . at one point he was around 217. 8th grade??
So here is food for thaught. Both of my kids fall well within normal on the charts fairly balanced for height and weight. NOT very high on height and low on weight. So why inorder to find pants long enough I have to buy adjustable SLIMS. If they are average healthy weight for height wouldn't ADVERAGE clothes be the closest fit?
They don't look tall and over slim. They are by no means chubby but don't look SLIM.
i think it was his 11 year check up . in his book it says he was 5'7" 137lbs.
my daughter will probably be close to those numbers.
in sixth grade my older son was probably 175- 180 pounds. he really thinned out his freshman year . at one point he was around 217. 8th grade??
He's slowed waaaay down. He is about 5'11" and 165--170. start of bb season, he was a bit over 170 but he runs a lot for bb and has zero fat.
I am hoping for another growth spurt to get him over that 6' mark. he is still quite a bit taller than his peers. definitely has a different body type. He looks like he lifts regularly but doesnt.
well, we had an issue with the BMI index when ds went for his 10 or 11 year checkup. He was considered obese on the chart for his age, weight and height. Meantime, he is very lean and muscular (has always been naturally muscular) and muscle weighs a whole lot more than fat which is apparently what skewed the chart numbers.
It was a horrible thing. It didn't help that the dr didn't look at him before declaring him obsese. He was already a lot bigger than his peers (height wise) and he was really self conscious about it for some time asking me if he is really fat.
He was the furtherst thing from obese! Very much in shape, low pulse because he's active.
right now, he is struggling with everyone asking him how much h bench presses, but he's never lifted weights. little comments about 'roids etc but he seems to take it in stride.
Tbh.... You're really freaking strong! I don't know what you cheerleaders eat but it works....