https://www.multivu.com/mnr/57459-sanofi-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-q-epinephrine-auto-injector (https://www.multivu.com/mnr/57459-sanofi-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-q-epinephrine-auto-injector)
QuoteEURONEXT: SAN and NYSE: SNY) announced today that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved Auvi-Q (epinephrine injection, USP) for the emergency treatment of life-threatening allergic reactions in people who are at risk for or have a history of anaphylaxis. Auvi-Q is the first-and-only compact epinephrine auto-injector with audio and visual cues that guide patients and caregivers step-by-step through the injection process.
I was just getting ready to post this but you beat me to it..thanks!!
I'm so excited about this. Wonder when it will become available? I signed in to receive updates on availablity etc.
This is huge, especially for the boys. My ds is just so sick of carrying around his bag. He has an ebelt, but hates it with a passion.
Keeps everything in a drawstring bag and is very good about keeping track of it etc.
:clap: :happydance: So excited! Hope it doesn't take too long to become available.
(http://www.bioon.com/industry/UploadFiles/201208/2012081321414655.jpg)
:thumbsup:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/intelliject-inc-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-qtm-epinephrine-injection-usp-2012-08-13 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/intelliject-inc-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-qtm-epinephrine-injection-usp-2012-08-13)
QuoteIt is the size and shape of a credit card, the thickness of a cell phone and fits comfortably in a pocket or small purse.
:happydance:
I'm ot sure if they have applied in Canada yet.
My teen son does not want this. I doubt my insurance will cover it anyway.
But, I'm still really glad to see it becoming available. Hopefully once it is available, someone here can post it's cost in comoarison to epi-pen.
:happydance: :happydance: :happydance:
--------------
Every time I read of another teen boy or young man that died without an epi-pen with him I prayed for this device and the epi-key to reach the market.
silver, has your ds said why he isn't interested in the product?
Just curious. It seems like it will really change things for males who carry epinephrine. My ds has been asking for years when it will be ready. Can't wait to tell him when he gets home.
Quote from: Mfamom on August 13, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
silver, has your ds said why he isn't interested in the product?
Just curious. It seems like it will really change things for males who carry epinephrine. My ds has been asking for years when it will be ready. Can't wait to tell him when he gets home.
DS thinks it's pretty cool...psyched about the size...wonder how exactly he'll carry it but it's gotta be less bulky than 2 epis :)
I also wonder about it getting too warm being in a back pocket etc. just seems like it has to be easier than a full size epi pen or twin ject.
I also think it means that ds must wear his medical alert bracelet....otherwise, how would someone know where to look for it. I think his bracelet says carries epinephrine...going to check on that. Ive been having that thought since he is out and about more and not using his epi belt, but a drawstring bag.
I didn't read all the details. Does anyone know if it is a single dose like an epi-pen or dual like twinject. Just curious caring two might be an issue.
___
I also wondered about the heat.
single dose
I think they are probably going to recommend a shirt pocket, but still just the size and shape seems like a HUGE improvement
Quote from: Mfamom on August 13, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
silver, has your ds said why he isn't interested in the product?
Just curious. It seems like it will really change things for males who carry epinephrine. My ds has been asking for years when it will be ready. Can't wait to tell him when he gets home.
First, he rolled his eyes and said "Oh great! Now I have to learn another new way to use an epi-pen". (We had temporarily switched from epi to twin.) Then he said, "Do I have to switch? It's so small, I'll lose it." And he has a point. For young kids, and older kids like him.....smaller might mean lost.
Eventually, I think he will want to switch, and I just hope by then my insurance will cover it. Ut, for now at least, we'll just let him stay with what he's comfortable with.
Don't get me wrong though....I think this new injector is GREAT and I'm really glad it's finally approved.
Wow! Just watched the demo film. I gotta think that care givers are going to LOVE this - the audio cues might be just the extra push to make giving the epi feel less like a solo adventure to those called upon to do so.
I keep wondering about the cost....with the voice directions, the light etc.
We'll use EpiPens for school and in my purse. But we'll have these for DS to carry around. What Mfamom said in her first post. And what Tabi said. This will make a HUGE difference for DS who will not use any kind of belt anymore. Period. He carries them in a drawstring bag or in his pocket if he's going out with friends. Or to camp. So another thing in his pocket won't bother me any more than it does now. And I will feel better about his having it with him all the time.
This will be a huge deal. He was thrilled when I told him today and said, "When will be available?"
Quote from: Mfamom on August 13, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I keep wondering about the cost....with the voice directions, the light etc.
Also, the strength of it. If it's in a back pocket, is it strong enough to withstand the abuse it will take.
Quote from: Mfamom on August 13, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
I keep wondering about the cost....with the voice directions, the light etc.
That stuff is
super-cheap, honestly. If they can put it in a $4 greeting card or a cat toy, I think that it won't increase costs much here, either. ;) KWIM?
Ruggedness, I worry about. Yes.
DD would
love to have a device that is smaller and lighter. :yes:
that's true, cmdeux. was thinking about that after I posted.
couldn't come at a better time though. I had to give huge push at HS to let him carry a drawstring bag...no "backpacks" allowed.
Very welcome news - can't wait to tell DS about it! I'm curious about his response.
I think that it would be great for our camp counselors. We send epis on all of our wilderness trips, in case of an undiagnosed allergy, and you could tell some of the counselors were not terribly comfortable during the epi training that I did...
I have been searching to find out how much the new audio-Q will cost. I have not found that, but according to this article, it will not be available prior to November 15. http://www.equities.com/news/headline-story?dt=2012-08-14&val=376070&cat=hcare (http://www.equities.com/news/headline-story?dt=2012-08-14&val=376070&cat=hcare)
Also, it explains the name auvi-Q. "Audio Visual Cues"
This will save lives. The epipen size is a problem for men especially. (women carry purses). My BIL developed that tick-meat allergy and does not carry Epi because of the awkward size - it does not work for him on his many business luncheons. This is great.
Man, we just bought 5 sets of epipens to the tune of a bazillion dollars. Maybe next year for us. Those look great. I love that they're smaller.
I sure would like the smaller versions for carrying the back up epi's in my purse!! I use pretty small purse, so would be bonus.
My son (13) is salivating for these to make it into his hands.
I think he is dreaming of moving, entering new high school in new district, and NEVER having to wear a bleeping pack with meds in it again! (TYVM fellow-students-bullies for past 3 schools!!)
I weighed some other autoinjectors to compare them...
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3599981691489.143559.1631951155&type=3&l=aaf7a8f0da (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3599981691489.143559.1631951155&type=3&l=aaf7a8f0da)
Hmmm...wondering how much smaller it really is. It seems doubtful you could put it in your back pocket and not destroy it by sitting on it
Also I wouldn't want ds to lose it but it would be great to eliminate the fanny pack at 12 years old. ds just lost his cell phone this past week. Of course that he takes out to use and may have set it down, but if it's in your pocket it can pop out, fall out, get laundered (I've done that one with cell phones). How do you make sure it is part of your body when you leave the house if it's not something you put on?I've spent 8 years training the boys to be part of their bodies. Leaving the house without the epi should feel like leaving the house without your shoes. Of course that concept only worked until the day ds left the house without his shoes :-/ Now I have to say it should be like leaving the house without your head attached to your shoulders :)
A key chain would be great for those of driving age...can't leave the house without your keys so you won't forget it and it becomes almost too bulky to lose. Maybe if it is successful it will encourage Dey to make their epi smaller. This new one also has the advantage of not looking like a HUGE hypodermic needle due to its shape. Maybe while they are giving instructions they should play some soothing music in the background too :)
Brownie
Unrelated,but I'm on my.phone and acidentlyr clicked report to modorater on Iowamoms comment!! Sorry!! My phone and I have issues.
Ha! That's funny. No worries :thumbsup:
Uh-oh, Iowamom--looks like she's on to you! ;)
Updates point to availability of the Auvi-q in the first quarter of 2013. My jacket pocket holding the six-shooter of Mylan EpiPens can finally downsize.
editing to add US release
editing again to add that Sanofi offers assistance for medication acquisition. For those uninsured you may be able to get assitance with Auvi-q.
Pictures please!!
I'm planning for two of these to appear in DS' stocking. :)
EVEN THOUGH YOUR AVATAR IS FREAKING ME OUT happy to oblige.
From the other Auvi-q thread. Videos at the end of production and one of the allergists from the development team.
Auvi-Q
(https://www.auvi-q.com/images/auviQ-eai-device.png)
From Sanofi's press release on Auvi-Q the important stuff
QuoteClinical Study Background
A bioequivalence clinical study was conducted using Auvi-Q (epinephrine injection, USP) and EpiPen®. Both auto-injectors delivered 0.3mg of epinephrine. Injections with epinephrine using Auvi-Q were well-tolerated and resulted in epinephrine plasma concentration levels that were found to be bioequivalent to EpiPen®.
adding link to Sanofi page with video on production you can actually see the injectors being made (it's the second video)
http://www.multivu.com/mnr/57459-sanofi-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-q-epinephrine-auto-injector (http://www.multivu.com/mnr/57459-sanofi-receives-fda-approval-for-auvi-q-epinephrine-auto-injector)
Heh, heh. Well, it's better than my Halloween one. :)
Oh--wait--I thought you had some on hand. But I see now the first quarter of next year. Aw, rats. I was really hoping to make these a favorite stocking stuffer.
But, um, perhaps a President's Day offering instead? Or Valentines? What better way to say "I love you!"
Quote from: Macabre on November 26, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Or Valentines? What better way to say "I love you!"
:thumbsup: and :rofl:
:thumbsup:
I guess you'll just have to settle for Emergency Room Co-Pay gift certificates for the stocking, then...
;D
(One wonders, though, exactly what the response would be to THAT phone call.... "So I'm doing my stocking stuffers. You don't, by any chance offer gift certificates, do you?" LOL)
Video of the Demo can be found here.
www.Auvi-Q.com (http://www.auvi-q.com)
Looking at the picture of it, it looks like it's just a single dose of epinepherine so you'd have to carry two. I'm not sure how space-saving that would be.
One for one it's not much different but six at all times it would permit me during a NE winter to save my one deep pocket that can hold tubes to go down to three then my two other inner pockets are more squares than deep rectangles. Try finding one pocket in any jacket that can accommodate an entire pack of hot dogs.
Mention when coat shopping that you plan to shoplift hotdogs and loaves of French bread regularly...
or would like a way to sneak an entire fifth of tequila into sporting events and theaters...
and would like something with commodious and easily accessible inner pockets?
:misspeak:
(I'm kidding, of course. But it might be fun to try it just to watch the reaction some time.)
Aside from the pocket bulge issue making temp stability problematic I also think a load of tubes jammed into my body cavity if I'm in a car accident is something I'd like to avoid getting a Darwin Award for. At least multiple flat objects won't embed as deeply.
for instance, at school, my ds carries ONE autoinjector, so the design of this will be more convenient for him to carry. Also, for a boy, will hopefully be easier/more convenient to carry. Right now we have twinject, so technically he does have 2 doses.
Quote from: twinturbo on November 27, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
One for one it's not much different but six at all times it would permit me during a NE winter to save my one deep pocket that can hold tubes to go down to three then my two other inner pockets are more squares than deep rectangles. Try finding one pocket in any jacket that can accommodate an entire pack of hot dogs.
I guess in your case, if one misfired you could use the injector for another person.
Quote from: Mfamom on November 27, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
for instance, at school, my ds carries ONE autoinjector, so the design of this will be more convenient for him to carry. Also, for a boy, will hopefully be easier/more convenient to carry. Right now we have twinject, so technically he does have 2 doses.
What does your son do in the instance of the injector misfiring or the needle getting bent?
I was hoping one would carry two injections as well. Having a teenage boy carry two epis is a difficult thing. He will have two of these and a phone and I'm not sure how that will help.
In some situations, I know he only carries one epi with him now. Those are when there is other epi around. In the winter, he could keep one in his pants pocket if he's going out with friends and one in a coat pocket, as long as it's kept with him.
In the summer he tends to do cargo type shorts so epis don't look bulky. Two would work well there.
Quote from: maeve on November 27, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: Mfamom on November 27, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
for instance, at school, my ds carries ONE autoinjector, so the design of this will be more convenient for him to carry. Also, for a boy, will hopefully be easier/more convenient to carry. Right now we have twinject, so technically he does have 2 doses.
What does your son do in the instance of the injector misfiring or the needle getting bent?
Can't answer for Mfa, but my son carries one epi, and there is a spare in the school office.
Quote from: maeve on November 27, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
I guess in your case, if one misfired you could use the injector for another person.
If you mean between the four mixed-lot EpiPen, Jr. I carry for two children, yes the pediatric doses are the same. Although I'm not sure what this has to do with the AQ?
I assume Maeve was saying you that instead of carrying two for each kid all the time you could carry fewer and if needed use the other kid's on the one having a reaction.
In day to day life it doesn't make sense to carry all those Epis. The likelihood of everyone having anaphylaxis isn't very high, right? I could see how if you are going to be away from a city it would make sense. But even for the kids, carrying three rather than four would still give you the second Epi should you require it.
Perhaps your kids have the same allergies and always eat the same exact things so if one is having anaphylaxis the other likely would?
I have food allergies and DS has them and as soon as he could go to a regular Epi, his doc (was also my doc) moved him. He was a couple of pounds shy actually, but our doc thought it was fine--so I didn't have to carry four Epis in my purse. Even now, I carry two unless we're on a trip. DS also has one if he's with me.
I'll have to respectfully decline the suggestion to reduce the two mixed-lot EAI carried per child. I'm sure you'll guess specific circumstances in play.
Quote from: maeve on November 27, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: twinturbo on November 27, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
One for one it's not much different but six at all times it would permit me during a NE winter to save my one deep pocket that can hold tubes to go down to three then my two other inner pockets are more squares than deep rectangles. Try finding one pocket in any jacket that can accommodate an entire pack of hot dogs.
I guess in your case, if one misfired you could use the injector for another person.
Quote from: Mfamom on November 27, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
for instance, at school, my ds carries ONE autoinjector, so the design of this will be more convenient for him to carry. Also, for a boy, will hopefully be easier/more convenient to carry. Right now we have twinject, so technically he does have 2 doses.
What does your son do in the instance of the injector misfiring or the needle getting bent?
The nurse has his extra one as well as epi pens "at large".
Twinturbo I wasn't trying to offer medical advice or a full suggestion really. Just putting forth a possible scenario. Obviously I wouldn't want to counter any advice your doctor has given you or what you have found to be a safe plan.
And I carry mixed lots, too, fwiw. I wasn't suggesting otherwise.
No worries. Any way you look at it options are a plus. Like Mfamom I cross my fingers that the Edwards brothers designed a more guy friendly shaped device. As in touch as my oldest is with his feminine side I'm not seeing a purse working out for him.
I just wish each had two injectors. I can see DS not wanting to carry two of these things and his phone.
Really I'm grateful. I just wish design would keep up with the need.
in MS, my ds attended a lot of BarMitzvah parties, social parties at school...wearing dress pants, tie and blazer. so difficult to carry epi pen. Seems like this new design will help with that...easier to put in a shirt pocket or inside coat pocket.
I also like the audio guidance!
McC was sort of right about my point but I was really saying/asking, that in order to have two doses with you, you'd still be carrying six injectors. Only now, they'd be smaller and square. That may or may not save space. However, in reply to my post about the space issue twinturbo said she'd carry fewer, and that's when I wondered what she would do if this item misfired and she needed a second dose.
DD carries two doses with her and it's easier because she's a girl; though she was the only 10 year old carry a purse and is probably one of the few in 6th grade who does. The nurse also has two doses. I don't mix the lots in what DD carries with what the nurse has because of different expiry dates and insurance issues. Our insurance only allows up to purchase one twinpack per month and school requires that the expiry date on the EpiPens provided go past the end of the school year. So during summer camp and until it expires in the fall, DD carries the pens from the previous school year (as do I); that's how we stagger our purchases.
DD was very intrigued by the Auvi-Q and wants to get one. However, I'll have to see how insurance handles it. If it has a high copay for only one vs. our current copay for a twin pack, then we'll likely stick with the EpiPen. I'd also have to see what school prefers. It's likely, they'll want EpiPens.
Well, I didn't go in to details because I didn't think the contents of my jacket were interesting enough to waste bandwith on, but...
My ideal carry is 3 EpiPen, Jr. in my big pocket they will be temperature stable and I believe I can nestle one AQ ped in between them and my ribcage so the flat square is against my body. In on other smaller square pocket I will carry one adult AQ for myself dropping mine to one dose. I'm a lesser risk and the EMS in my geographic area will administer for adults across the board.
It's about the diversity of dimension in a smart coverage given the totality of circumstances. I personally prefer and would use EpiPen, Jr. as a first line for the kids relying on AQ ped as our backup. Given our ER's philosophy and response time from their pharmacy even during anaphylaxis a pre-dosed AQ on hand is better than waiting 45 minutes for their generic syringed dose.
Thus is the fascinating story of my jacket contents.
twinturbo,
I'm sorry. I didn't mean for you to go into so much detail. It's really none of my concern.
Actually, I find it incredibly interesting to see all the different kinds of things we do to keep safe. And frankly, seeing info about using different lots and making sure at least some pens are in a more stable temp can be extremely helpful for newbies!
So thanks Twinturbo (autocorrect just renamed you Twinkie--technology is amazing). :)
We'll also stick with Epis for school. That's what they know how to use. And I will stick with Epis for my purse. I assume that the AQ will be more expensive and the Epis are fine for my purposes. I will get two for DS though. If insurance doesn't pony up that may not be until we sell out house.
We're definitely considering an AuviQ for DD to carry when she isn't with us. The audio instructional component and her reaction history makes it VERY appealing if she is alone/with peers. I'm looking forward to actually seeing a trainer to get an accurate sense of size.
It's incredibly annoying that we couldn't use Twinject, since that is the one that DD liked the best, actually.
We anticipate the same problem insurance-wise as Maeve does with this one. Same insurance, basically. <sigh>
We carry a pair of autoinjectors each, DD and I-- mixed lots-- so we have two pairs, and we each take half. If that makes sense, I mean.
Somewhere upthread I think I put a link to Sanofi's statement that they'll provide a three-pronged support measure including twisting the arm of insurance companies to reimburse (my interpretation) but also to potentially provide their injectors for low or no cost to "underserved" is how I believe they worded it. Whatever the case Sanofi seems poised to enter the market with gusto. That's good.
For school we're sticking with EpiPens as well.
haha... twinkie technology.
http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2012-08-15/sanofis-chew-on-auvi-q-voice-guided-injector (http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2012-08-15/sanofis-chew-on-auvi-q-voice-guided-injector)
The company rep is holding the product talking about it.
I asked about availability at Sam's Club pharmacy, the pharmacist was at least aware of it coming available soon but not exactly when. While that's not much of an update it's encouraging that it's sooner than later if it's hit the pharmacist's radar.
on the website, there is a place you can fill out for updates of release of the device.
Not a single one has been issued since I submitted my email addy through their website many months ago. I've been getting my own updates through blogs, news releases, pharmacists.
TT, thank you for updating here. I agree, if pharmacists are aware of it, that probably means sooner.
I had sent them an e-mail to find out if they have applied in Canada yet and if they will be applying to have it covered under provincial policies. I have not received a reply.
i understood it as you will receive an email when it is available in your area. Maybe it isn't available near you.
That could be, Sanofi has also taken over most of the business end a while back anyhow much more post-lawsuit and settlement. Regardless, it's all I got.
Did anyone see the Allergic Living article on the Auvi-Q. It was very interesting and explained how the arrived at the size and thickness. The explanation made perfect sense: If were thinner, it might break if someone sat on it.
I just showed it to DS - he was not thrilled about having to stop watching minecraft videos for a minute....
until he saw the kid the in video - that's good advertisizing! DS loves shirts like that - once he saw the boy he watched with full attention.
I this was interesting:
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/01/12/auvi-q%E2%84%A2%E2%80%94thoughts-about-the-new-autoinjector/ (http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/01/12/auvi-q%E2%84%A2%E2%80%94thoughts-about-the-new-autoinjector/)
QuoteProduct basics: Auvi-Q™comes with two injector units and a trainer, which is colored differently and doesn't have a needle, but is otherwise identical so that patients, parents, and caregivers can practice using the same audible and visual prompts as the injectors. The battery life for the trainer has enough juice for hundreds of practice sessions so the kids can show it to their friends until they get tired of it, and it will still have enough to instruct a rotating cast of teachers, grandparents, and baby sitters. The live injectors come in two strengths–one for small children and one for everyone else. For caregivers, there's the added benefit that you never see a needle, and I can only imagine that some grandparent would feel less inhibited about using it for that reason. When you consider that a fraction of those who should carry an autoinjector actually do so, you can't help but think that a version of Apple-ish intuitive usage and design might expand the numbers.
As to availability and pricing—it will be rolled out by the end of the current quarter and will be competitive with the competition, with the specific cost contingent on your insurance plan. Assistance will be forthcoming based on need like most costly pharmaceutical products.
Now available in Canada http://www.allerject.ca/ (http://www.allerject.ca/) .
Free trainers available.
Not yet listed on the formulary, but I'm hoping it will be covered.
Oooooo.. wonder if we can pick one up in the Vancouver airport... :misspeak: :thumbsup:
Some enterprising soul went to an early demo.
http://multiplefoodallergyhelp.com/?p=1368 (http://multiplefoodallergyhelp.com/?p=1368)
This is probably a bigger deal to someone like me that has only boys and has to carry a lot of EAIs. Even if there's room for improvement addressing form factor is huge progress. Please note the part of it must be replaces if dropped in toilet. Think about that... boys... pockets... dropping stuff. The misplacement issue and that it feels like a wallet or mobile device will need to be addressed behaviorally.
Makers of the epi-pen have been donating to schools, and referring to the "real" epinephrine auto-injector.
Makers of the Auvi-Q invited mommy bloggers. They paid their travel expenses and asked for their opinions. I've read a few of the blogs, so far the mommies all seem impressed.
This blogger is listing the others as they post about it. http://www.gratefulfoodie.com/inspiring-we-met-the-auvi-q/ (http://www.gratefulfoodie.com/inspiring-we-met-the-auvi-q/)
Looking forward to this, though I still can't imagine carrying both in a pants pocket. But maybe one there, and another one in a jacket or back pack? Dunno, but I love the voice directions. Time will tell.
This is from one of the parent blogs from the Sanofi Auvi-q summit. Got to run errands so sticking it here for later.
QuoteThe program began with a talk by Dr. John Oppenheimer, formerly of National Jewish in Denver and currently in private practice in New Jersey as well as Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and Associate Editor of the Annals of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology.
Several things he said stood out. One was to cite a subject we have written about here—the misunderstanding of anaphylaxis by emergency department doctors. A second was the remarkable growth of exercise-induced anaphylaxis. A third was that he specifically cautions against administration of Benadryl as a first resort because the sedative effects can mask the onset of more serious symptoms like plunging blood pressure. And finally his observation that allergy practice frequently seems more like a matter of "risk management" than a healing art, or words to that effect. I hope to get Dr. Oppenheimer to write for us soon.
It's out and available now!
http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sanofi-announces-auvi-q-the-first-and-only-voice-guided-epinephrine-auto-injector-is-now-available-in-the-us-188651061.html (http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sanofi-announces-auvi-q-the-first-and-only-voice-guided-epinephrine-auto-injector-is-now-available-in-the-us-188651061.html)
I just called Sam's Club pharmacy it's in their system and they can get me a twinpack for each of the kids in junior strength by tomorrow. We'll see how fast the allergist's office can get the prescription in.
Here's a coupon good for the first two Rx of Auvi-Q.
:)
http://m.auvi-q.com/m/support-and-savings (http://m.auvi-q.com/m/support-and-savings)
Wow-- THANK YOU, Mac!!
I would love to be able to carry a pair of these with us to Europe-- and they will up our epinephrine supply without costing me $200, hopefully.
OOOH! Our pharmacist is ordering them in for me. Curious to see if it would be less cumbersome for M to self carry... He gets uncomfortable in the car...Not happy that my co pay is double that of the epi pen, but can't complain since it's still a fraction of what some of you have to shell out :hiding:
You should let Intelliject know that insurance makes you pay double.
DD and I played with the trainer today at her allergist appointment. It is way cool! DD likes it and I agree, much easier to carry.
Having just given an EPI, this new style is very easy and when you are stressed in the moment...the verbal instructions will be helpful and I like the chime at the end so you can be sure it was in long enough. Not to mention, only 5 seconds instead of 10.
Now we have to wait and see what the insurance companies decide as far as what they will and will not cover. We are hoping ours will cover and DD can carry this for High School next year!
DD has announced that she wants an Auvi-Q for Valentine's Day. :heart: (Awwwww)
Given that she tends to have cardiovascular symptoms when anaphylaxing, this seems especially appropriate. :thumbsup:
I like this line:
Quote
It will doubtlessly spawn a cottage industry in carrying cases, but my personal favorite (betraying my age) would be to roll it up in the sleeve of a tee shirt a la James Dean when cigarettes were cool.
Of course, love old movies, and James Dean. :yes:
I was far too excited when I received the email about this today!!!!
Speaking of far too excited- I have them in my hot little hands right now! Thank yo so much for posting the link to the coupon mc! I'm headed over to Ms school in a bit the nurses are just about as a twitter about it as I am. The pouch that goes with him from class to class will still contain std epis, but this one will be on his person ( for transport times and oops moments).
hopefully getting mine by Monday!!! :)
Did blue cross cover any of them yet?
I have blue cross health insurance.... Can't remember what our new prescription plan is( used to have express scripts), but it wouldn't help anyone,anyway, unless you are a PA state employee...
I did a formulary check today through our blue cross ins and it came back with $40 copay. I ordered a two pack which will hopefully come in tomorrow. Just have to get an rx!
Woot!
Quote from: MandCmama on January 31, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
I have blue cross health insurance.... Can't remember what our new prescription plan is( used to have express scripts), but it wouldn't help anyone,anyway, unless you are a PA state employee...
DH is. If you got them, then we probably can too! Thanks!
Yes ma'am! $36 copay, but $25 with the coupon. Didn't look into the 3 month supply through CVS yet. What region of the state are you in, yelloww?
mine will be in tomorrow!! so excited.
I was just reading about mylan not being too happy about the new device. They should have put a bit more thought into the changes they made a few years ago and made both improvements in safety and userfriendliness.
shame on them for trying to block this new device with lawsuits etc.
Just paid $150 (with insurance) to get an Epi-pen duo pack re-filled. We are going to the allergist - research hospital (DS is a control in a study) on Friday. I will ask for a script then and get their thoughts on the device. I'm excited to see it!
don't forget there is a coupon for the new one $25.
Link to Tricare formulary search:
http://pec.ha.osd.mil/fst/formulary_search_results.php (http://pec.ha.osd.mil/fst/formulary_search_results.php)
I thought I could click on Savings on the webpage and print the coupon. I signed in with name etc awhile back, but never got a coupon. How did you all get yours?
UGH!! having trouble getting the coupon. I called the pharmacy to see how much the copay is...$120, so I'll be tracking one down. I could drive to dr office and get one (the rep was there yesterday) but I don't really have time to do that.
After signing in I clicked on 'savings', I believe. You can print it out or text it to your phone. I could not get the text option to work...
now i see what I did wrong. It asks some basic questions including when your current auto injector expires. i didn't fill that part out. went back and filled out ALL the questions and then was prompted to download or text the coupon. Yeah! off to CVS to get it. My ds going to be so excited!
I also can't say enough about how wonderful this is for DS1 to carry! The epipen was almost as wide as he was and considerably thicker than this device. He wears a onespot allergy belt facing his backside- his shirt would ride up over the epipen and kind of rest on it. This is not issue with auvi-q. He also no longer complains in the car when we go further than a few blocks. I also think the belts will last longer...they barely have to stretch to accommodate the auvi-q, so there will be less wear along the edges of it (currently an issue with epi pen).
I'm thinking I might have DS2 start carrying the trainer around...it may take him longer to earn my trust for self carrying- he's my wild child, lol!
Our family may have to buy the first pair of these for each kid & won't be able to file insurance as we used our max # of epipens per year last September . . . and I *know* our kids want to switch to these . . .
Are samples (trainers) being donated to local support groups or otherwise via FAAN/FARE so that folks can see & test and make decision on switching?
got them. Okay, the fine print! I paid $60, not $25.
It is smaller than I thought it would be.
there is two devices plus a trainer. My ds was so happy!!
So was that your total co-pay, or co-pay after discounting, Mfamom?
Our co-pay for epi twinpacks right now is $50.
Does this COME in a two-device "pack" with a trainer?
I called and our insurance will cover it. The woman could not tell from her screen how many are in the box. Before I call for a script, is there a twin pack or are they single units?
Thanks!
Twin pack and trainer,, all in an impossibly small box. School nurse was going to call to see if they'd send trainers... I told her I'd loan her our for her next teacher inservice if she can't get one. Haven't heard from her yet.
It comes in a two pack, with a trainer. The copay for the two pack with the coupon is $25. I checked the cash price at work today and it is about $350.
I'm going to call also about extra trainers. I was talking to ds last night and our favorite thing about it, is when you use it you just put it on your leg and press. No worries about exactly how hard you need to swing or jab. That was always something I worried about and how do you explain to someone how hard to do it. This leaves no guesswork, just click and it starts counting down. It is really cool and seems pretty foolproof.
without the coupon I would have 120 copay. the fine print says you pay the first 25 and can receive up to 60 off copay or out of pocket.
I ended up paying 60.
there are two devices and a trainer. the box seemed so tiny!!
I was hoping to surprise DS yesterday when I picked him up from rehearsal, but the doctor office didn't call it in. And today hte nursing staff was out. ?? So, tomorrow.
We're not going to wait until Valentine's (we were going to). DS wears a suit for speech tourney all day Saturday, and two in his suit (one in pants pocket and one behind the lapel) will have a much better profile for competition than two EpiPens. But it will be a surprise at least tomorrow!
SOoooooo cool!!
macabre, our cvs had to order it because they didn't have it in store. only took one day for them to get it though.
Ooh thanks for the heads up!
Quote from: Mfamom on February 06, 2013, 05:38:34 AM
macabre, our cvs had to order it because they didn't have it in store. only took one day for them to get it though.
Ours did as well.
Waaaaaaa!!
Our lame-o insurance (which is the same-oh insurance as at least one other member, ahem) doesn't even have this LISTED as an approved drug at all, formulary or not.
Bleh.
So our cost would be $290 at our pharmacy when I spoke with them this morning.
Ugh. Ugh, Ugh. Can't do it. :-[
We'll have to try to get a preapproval and exeption through our allergist at the end of the month instead.
For a kid with a history of cognitive impairment during a reaction, though, I really think this device is entirely JUSTIFIED over an epipen.
Quote from: CMdeux on February 06, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
Waaaaaaa!!
Our lame-o insurance (which is the same-oh insurance as at least one other member, ahem) doesn't even have this LISTED as an approved drug at all, formulary or not.
Bleh.
So our cost would be $290 at our pharmacy when I spoke with them this morning.
Ugh. Ugh, Ugh. Can't do it. :-[
We'll have to try to get a preapproval and exeption through our allergist at the end of the month instead.
For a kid with a history of cognitive impairment during a reaction, though, I really think this device is entirely JUSTIFIED over an epipen.
CM- Take a look at the coupon. I believe there was something on there regarding those who won't be using insurance. Maybe it would bring the cost down slightly. That is awfully steep for a med that is so easily damaged and needs to be replaced at least yearly :-[
Quote from: Macabre on January 28, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
Here's a coupon good for the first two Rx of Auvi-Q.
:)
http://m.auvi-q.com/m/support-and-savings (http://m.auvi-q.com/m/support-and-savings)
Up to $60 off a script without using insurance.
Still a very far cry from our $50 copay for epipens, though. :-[
oh, CMdeux, that is crappy!! I have been able to get approvals for coverage though when insurance said no. for example, my ds has taken allegra forever. when clariton etc went otc, the insurance said NO to the allergra prescription. he had tried clariton etc and they did not help him. the nurse called insurance and got it approved and they covered it for regular copay. Maybe you guys can try that.
Yeah, I think that non-formulary co-pays are now up at $90, but at least with the $25 off, it wouldn't be so much more, and we'd do that.
Will need to talk to the doc... probably ought to do this before he leaves for AAAAI.
but the savings off can be up to $60
so, my copay without the coupon would have been $120. with the coupon it made it $60
We picked up three twinpacks a couple of weeks ago.
Auvi-q is more expensive than EpiPen at the dispensary therefore our copay was slightly higher at $40 instead of $25, but for each coupon our out of pocket was knocked down to $25. FSA can cover that copay if you have one.
Right out of the box DS1 could use it without any prompt from me. He has been trained by us on injection basics but as an experiment I merely handed him the Auvi-q trainer and he did it flawlessly and fearlessly himself. He's less confident with the Epipen trainer. The Auvi-q case is a bit tighter for his fingers to pry loose but he's not an especially strong six year old but even for me it's a bit of a squeeze to pull from the case. Not terribly so but in direct comparison with the EpiPen flip-cap a bit latchier.
The voice guide on the device is NO gimmick as I wondered before practicing with the actual trainer. Just as in any emergent situation the commands are clear and force the user to have to choose to not follow correct injection. In high stress situations it takes both the guesswork out on timing and limits how creatively a caregiver could inject. We're going to bring our trainer in the school for the staff to share.
Carrying. I parallel carry 3 Auvi-q with 3 EpiPen for 3 individuals. Initially it was a bit worrisome until I became used to the different dimensions and weight. I'm a big fan of muscle memory in these situations, I'd recommend defining where you'll carry similar shaped items (pack of gum, tin of mints, etc) and keep one pocket a dedicated Auvi-q pocket. Ideally this is a zippered chest pocket or front pants pocket. While the Auvi-q in the generic sense shares dimensions with smart phones the actual size and weight is very different: it feels more like a tin or box of candy.
I tried my back pocket first, including jumping around, zipping pants on and off, sitting on it, comparing it to the dimensions of my iPhone 5 in my other back pocket. Although I foundit easy to differentiate from my phone or DH's wallet what you don't want is to either let it fall in the toilet or to the ground at a urinal (I made DH try the urinal with trainer in his pocket), you also don't want to get desensitized to the idea that something squarish in your back pocket is there and assume it's the Auvi-q. There's also the laundry issue so yes you'd need some sort of check system for males who favor pants or chest pockets. Zippered pockets preferably so it doesn't fall out.
MedicAlert verbiage. I have to think about this more.
Auvi-q label and manufacture. For those of you that have the trainer only to check it out the trainers are made in Thailand. The live Auvi-q devices are made in Germany. Mine are labeled accordingly.
Additionally, they are labeled by weight instead of junior/adult. I write on the handle and blank parts of my Auvi-q whether they are the kids or adults in case I'm incapacitated and someone has to inject me or the kids. I'm seeing labeling by weight more good than bad but I believe there's some room for improvement here.
CM, I have an extra trainer I can mail to you. You can also try to call Sanofi while they are eager to gain market and offer assistance to those whose insurance will not help them with the Sanofi device.
However... I called Sanofi the day I got the devices, was transferred no less than 3 times and not a single customer service rep knewof the Auvi-q. And I called the number on the package, or maybe it was from their website. Regardless, I think in this scenario you as a PharmD might have better luck with the Intelliject product marketing manager if you can't make headway through the Sanofi customer service maze.
But yeah, the human factor engineering of the Auvi-q epinephrine autoinjector is well done for the first round launch. I'm thrilled to have a choice and carry a mix of EpiPen and Auvi-q.
It's also worth mentioning that the device grip is different in Auvi-q than typically you'd used for EpiPen. Auvi-q is more about pushing down with your palm rather the. depending more on a finger/fist grasp for injection. With an Auvi-q your fingers are more for positioning then I'd say your engaging your chest and shoulder to help push with your palm while your fingers just hold the device in place. Not sure if others would agree with it? But that's for self inject and my real experience is using it on my kids but even then it's more of a push with the palm instead of fingergrip, not that I've had any difficulty using an EpiPen in the past. Back to the self inject because I have to consider injecting myself while under duress I think I prefer the form of Auvi-q, particularly the voice to urge me on direction and the palm push release. Then again, flipcap versus friction release to prep for injection also would be a factor for grip and finger strength.
Quote from: SilverLining on January 25, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
Now available in Canada http://www.allerject.ca/ (http://www.allerject.ca/) .
Free trainers available.
Not yet listed on the formulary, but I'm hoping it will be covered.
Thank you! I'm glad I read through the thread because I couldn't manage to find this on my own. Just ordered my trainer & I can't wait to get a good look at it.
Edit: I couldn't find it because it is called Allerject and I was searching for Intelliject.
one thing I just noticed on my ds Auvi-Q is that the expiration date/lot number is worn off i guess from being in his pocket.
UGH.
The other thing I don't like and I've already compensated for this, is that the trainer is in black/white/gray
so, if you are training someone, be sure that you show them that the REAL one is Bright red/blue etc.
My dh pointed out that the person you train may take in the details of the colors and go hunting for the white thing when it is really RED.
Can anyone please post the DIN for the Auvi-Q. (I think DIN's are the same in both countries).
:bump:
anyone know the DIN?
Is that a Drug Idenrification Number? How would I be able to tell it apart from the lot number?
Does your pharmacist have it?
It is the Drig Identification Number. It should be written on it. It's also written on the Prescription Receipt. (The one used to claim under insurance or income tax deduction)
I picked ours up today!!! Two pack with a trainer. With the website coupon, it was $20 out of pocket. Same price as I pay for Epi's.
I was in CVS the week it went on the market and it was $260 without the coupon. The pharmacist today was the same one who ran the cost before for me. So after I paid for it, we took it out right there in the store and showed it and the trainer to the pharmacy staff. They thought it was too cool and then they were wondering why the reps hadn't trained them or shown them it yet.
Just an FYI for everyone- onespot allergy posted on her blog this weekend that once you remove the safety, unlike epi pen, contents are no longer sterile. So be sure you're ready!
Ok, so we took it out if the container, but didn't take the cap off. Apparent it needs to stay in the case to avoid light exposure too.
Hi,
I just picked up the Allerject .
It was covered by my plan, with similar copayment as epi.
Cost was $104.65. Similar to epipen.
DIN 2382067
Free trainer and case is available to order on their site.
Ali
Our insurance company prefers not to actually think. Ever. If covered by provincial plan, t's covered by our plan. If not, the it's not. As of last week, it is not covered by my provinces plan (however it is coved in some provinces). I cannot even find out whether ON has declined coverage or they just haven't decided yet.
I can't wait any longer though. I don't object to carrying an epi that expired a month or so ago...especially in winter for ds. But, spring is coming (I think) so I'm going to replace today, with epi's.
LOL! I had to Google "Allerject". I thought it might be a different new device.
It's probably already mentioned in this thread. I wonder why the need for different names?
while I'm thrilled with the convenience of the Auvi-Q and I think it is an amazing device, I'm a little hot with Sanofi right now.
I sent an email awhile back letting them know about the expiration date and lot number wearing off rather quickly on my son's device. I think pulling it in and out of his pocket, etc. caused the wear.
I added a picture so they could see.
they replied with a standard email. a week later, I received a pre paid box to mail the "defective" product back. I called the 1800 number and explained that there is nothing wrong with the device, just that they may want to re think the location of the ex. date etc. the cs lady was pretty insistent that I return the device. I told her that I would IF they send me a coupon for a FREE refill. She said NO! I said, fine I'm not returning it.
A few weeks later I got another pre paid box and a more aggressive letter.
I've had now at least 3 boxes sent to me, I've had several calls from them. Each time I tell them same thing. I was giving you feed back on the ex date location and I'm not returning it unless you pay for a replacement. There isn't anything wrong with the device! The answer is always NO and I end the conversation.
Yesterday, got a call again. Totally lost it on the lady. She was insistent that I return it.
WTH
Quote from: Mfamom on June 20, 2013, 07:16:08 AM
while I'm thrilled with the convenience of the Auvi-Q and I think it is an amazing device, I'm a little hot with Sanofi right now.
I sent an email awhile back letting them know about the expiration date and lot number wearing off rather quickly on my son's device. I think pulling it in and out of his pocket, etc. caused the wear.
I added a picture so they could see.
they replied with a standard email. a week later, I received a pre paid box to mail the "defective" product back. I called the 1800 number and explained that there is nothing wrong with the device, just that they may want to re think the location of the ex. date etc. the cs lady was pretty insistent that I return the device. I told her that I would IF they send me a coupon for a FREE refill. She said NO! I said, fine I'm not returning it.
A few weeks later I got another pre paid box and a more aggressive letter.
I've had now at least 3 boxes sent to me, I've had several calls from them. Each time I tell them same thing. I was giving you feed back on the ex date location and I'm not returning it unless you pay for a replacement. There isn't anything wrong with the device! The answer is always NO and I end the conversation.
Yesterday, got a call again. Totally lost it on the lady. She was insistent that I return it.
WTH
Tell them that you're contacting the FDA.
I have the same problem with the expiration date on ours. It is also on the bottom of the box. I wrote it on the bottom of our calendar. I'm not calling them about it because I don't want to complain about something that is otherwise fantastic!
I'd be flipping out too! Ask to speak to a manager next time!
Yes, maybe you can tell that (higher up) person that you'll use one of their nifty prepaid boxes when your device expires or is no longer valid for use (either through use, or temperature excursion, etc.) You know, and not before.
Bump