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Posted by brownie
 - September 24, 2014, 06:40:21 AM
Ok thanks. That makes sense.  Brownie
Posted by CMdeux
 - September 20, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
Precisely-- so something like C. Difficile is pretty pathogenic, and not a "good" bacteria to have populating one's gut.   At all.  That one kills people.

Sort of like different strains of E. Coli can be either benign or pathogenic. 
Posted by forvictoria
 - September 20, 2014, 08:28:56 AM
Quote from: brownie on September 20, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
So I have a question about this.  In researching Clostridia, this is not a bacteria you can "obtain" via a probiotic and there is some confusing information out there.  If I am not mistaken, Clostridia is associated with GI issues...
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/clostridium-difficile-and-probiotics

If this is the case, it seems that typical probiotics could potentially be counterproductive as they are used to PREVENT Clostridia?  So what am I missing here?  We used to do probiotics but I have gotten lazy and cheap.  I am wondering if we should pursue it again, or avoid them in light of this evidence!

From what I gathered Clostridia does not exist in a pill form yet but only a certain strain of clostridia is what they are referring to that will be beneficial with  food allergies other strains of Clostridia are harmful, so the strain of Clostridia is crucial I believe.
Posted by forvictoria
 - September 20, 2014, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: Macabre on September 02, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: forvictoria on August 25, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Did she prescribe a certain type of probiotic?


Finally had time to dig it out of my file.  :hiding:


Klaire Ther-Biotic Complete

Thank you :)
Posted by brownie
 - September 20, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
So I have a question about this.  In researching Clostridia, this is not a bacteria you can "obtain" via a probiotic and there is some confusing information out there.  If I am not mistaken, Clostridia is associated with GI issues...
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/clostridium-difficile-and-probiotics

If this is the case, it seems that typical probiotics could potentially be counterproductive as they are used to PREVENT Clostridia?  So what am I missing here?  We used to do probiotics but I have gotten lazy and cheap.  I am wondering if we should pursue it again, or avoid them in light of this evidence!
Posted by Macabre
 - September 02, 2014, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: forvictoria on August 25, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Did she prescribe a certain type of probiotic?


Finally had time to dig it out of my file.  :hiding:


Klaire Ther-Biotic Complete
Posted by forvictoria
 - August 25, 2014, 07:34:24 PM
yes that's where I found out about the study it is funded by FARE, I got it in an email. But the email link to the study did not work.
Posted by LinksEtc
 - August 25, 2014, 07:23:43 PM
"Common Gut Bacteria Prevent Sensitization to Allergens in a Mouse Model for Peanut Allergy, Paving the Way for Probiotic Therapies to Treat Food Allergies"

http://www.foodallergy.org/press-room/2014/082514

QuoteThe presence of Clostridia, a common class of gut bacteria, protects against food allergies, a new study in mice finds. By inducing immune responses that prevent food allergens from entering the bloodstream, Clostridia minimize allergen exposure and prevent sensitization – a key step in the development of food allergies.
Posted by forvictoria
 - August 25, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Did she prescribe a certain type of probiotic?
I have been taking one for 2 years now a multi dophilus, mainly because I have a bad stomach always did even as a young girl it seemed to get a lot worse right before and after I developed my food allergy to shrimp.
In fact my gastro Dr prescribed prescription Prilosec for the first time and I took it every day for a couple of months and that's when I developed the reaction to shrimp. I am sure that's what did it. I have since read
about proton pump inhibitors and how they can contribute to developing food allergies by blocking certain enzymes and then the body thinks the food that you do not eat often is an enemy so to speak because it doesn't recognize it due to the enzymes needed for it being blocked.
Posted by Macabre
 - August 25, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
My allergist, in addition to wanting my Vit D levels in a certain place (she's found a certain threshold for greater effacacy of SLIT), prescribed a probiotic for me. I haven't done it yet. :hiding:
Posted by forvictoria
 - August 25, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: CMdeux on August 25, 2014, 05:38:19 PM
This would explain the mechanism behind the success that has been had with fecal transplants, certainly.

Good point, this would be wonderful if this probiotic does in fact help treat and prevent food allergies.

Posted by CMdeux
 - August 25, 2014, 05:38:19 PM
This would explain the mechanism behind the success that has been had with fecal transplants, certainly. 
Posted by forvictoria
 - August 25, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-gut-bacteria-protect-against-allergies-082514


A new study shows that the presence of Clostridia, a common class of gut bacteria, protects against food allergies in mice, suggesting that probiotic therapies could be developed to treat people with similar food sensitivities.


Can Good Gut Bacteria Protect Against Food Allergies?

Food allergies are serious medical conditions affecting up to 15 million people in the United States, including one in 13 children, according to the organization Food Allergy Research & Education (FARE). Some states, including Michigan and North Carolina, require schools to be equipped with emergency EpiPens to respond to serious allergies in their students.

In the new study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a team of researchers from the University of Chicago Medicine and Biological Sciences studied food allergy triggers in mice.

They exposed germ-free mice (born and raised in sterile conditions to have no native gut bacteria) and mice treated with antibiotics as newborns (which significantly reduces gut bacteria) to peanut allergens. Both groups of mice displayed a strong immune system response, producing significantly higher levels of antibodies to fight the peanut allergens than mice with a normal population of gut bacteria.

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Clostridia Keeps Allergens from Entering the Bloodstream

The researchers found that this sensitization to food allergens could be reversed by reintroducing a mix of Clostridia bacteria into the mice's guts. Reintroduction of another major group of intestinal bacteria, Bacteroides, failed to alleviate food sensitivities, indicating that Clostridia play a unique, protective role against food allergens.

To identify this protective mechanism, the researchers studied immune responses to bacteria in the gut. Genetic analysis revealed that Clostridia caused innate immune cells to produce high levels of interleukin-22 (IL-22), a signaling molecule known to decrease the permeability of the intestinal lining. Children with food allergies are know to have greater permeability in their guts when they eat problem foods.

In a second part of the experiment, the antibiotic-treated mice were either given IL-22 or were colonized with Clostridia. When exposed to peanut allergens, mice in both groups showed reduced allergen levels in their blood compared to controls. Allergen levels significantly increased, however, after the mice were given antibodies that neutralized IL-22, indicating that Clostridia-induced IL-22 prevents food allergens from entering the bloodstream.

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New Generation Has More Food Allergies

Senior study author Cathryn R. Nagler, Ph.D., a professor of pathology and medicine, and Bunning Food Allergy professor at the University of Chicago, told Healthline, "We've identified a pathway to allergic sensitization to food that is regulated by bacteria. We know that in just a generation, a change in the prevalence of food allergy and life threatening allergic responses to food has occurred. It's unlikely that something has changed dramatically in the way we prepare food. It's more likely that something has been changing in our environment.

"There are many diseases called 'diseases of the western lifestyle,' like diabetes, inflammatory bowel disease, and obesity, that are all increasing along with allergic disease," she added. "All of these have now been linked to the influence of the bacteria that live in our intestines."
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Overuse of antibiotics and diets high in fatty, processed foods have changed the composition of the bacteria in our intestines, and have also contributed to food allergies. "They eat what we eat and they respond and change their populations based on what we eat," said Nagler.

Why are some people allergic to a given food while other people are not? Nagler explained that all the foods we eat have the potential to cause an immune response. Some people are not allergic to food because a specific physiological mechanism shuts off that response. In people who get food allergies, that response is broken, and they start to react strongly to foods that are not harmful.

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The IgE Factor

In the study, Nagler said, the researchers were evaluating the IgE response to food allergens. "IgE is the form of antibody that is required for an allergic response. It was already known that to prevent an allergic response to food, to keep our bodies at peace with the foods coming into our bodies every day, we make a regulatory response that is very specific for those food allergens," she said. "[In the case of allergens,] our immune system is recognizing them, but is not making a regulatory response, or a response that maintains homeostasis, which keeps the peace.

"We found that in addition to that response directed against the dietary antigens, there is also a response elicited by and specific for the commensal bacteria (they live with us and don't cause any harm, but also have some benefit). We have ten to a hundred times more bacteria in our body than the cells. They cover all of our mucosal surfaces, meaning the airways, genitourinary tract, and particularly the intestines," said Nagler.

"There are many diseases called 'diseases of the western lifestyle,' like diabetes, inflammatory bowel disease, and obesity, that are all increasing along with allergic disease. All of these have now been linked to the influence of the bacteria that live in our intestines." — Cathryn R. Nagler, Ph.D.



The researchers found that when they treated mice with antibiotics to deplete the bacteria living in their intestines, the mice's sensitivity to food allergens, or their IgE response, increased. "Then we tried to find out which bacterial population it was, and in a whole series of experiments, we settled on Clostridia, which are oxygen-sensitive bacteria," Nagler said. "They can't live outside of an environment that is oxygen free. Deep inside your body, deep inside your intestines, there's no oxygen, and that's where this kind of bacteria live.

"They are always signaling to our bodies, but we're not usually making a response to them. We found they generate particular signals that promote the production of mucous and natural antibiotics the body makes to reinforce the barrier [of the intestinal lining] and prevent those food allergens from getting past the epithelial barrier and into our blood," said Nagler.

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A Pill for Food Allergies?

What impact will this mouse study have on human subjects?

"The exciting implication for consumers is this gives us a way to intervene and see if we can now use modulation of the bacteria in our gut as a way to prevent or treat food allergies," Nagler said. "We could use the Clostridia to develop a novel, new treatment we can give to people with food allergies, or to protect people before they get food allergies, to elicit this barrier protective response. This is a totally new probiotic."

Nagler said that several companies are already working to develop this new probiotic. "In fact," she added, "we are working with one company. Clostridia are very difficult to work with because they can't be exposed to oxygen. The good thing about them is they form very stable spores that can live under very extreme conditions. We can potentially collect spores of Clostridia and create them as a pill."