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Title: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 18, 2013, 10:46:07 AM
Here are some starter questions ...

Do you experience FA anxiety?  How do you manage it?  How has the anxiety affected your day-to-day life and/or your relationships with others?   Have you been treated in a caring and respectful way?

Do your kids experience a lot of anxiety?

Do you think food allergy support groups help the anxiety?  Do they make it worse?  Is it a little more complicated?

How about FA articles/studies on anxiety?  What do you think about those articles/studies?

Can allergists diagnose anxiety?  Can mental health professionals truly understand the FA life and how some behavior (that may first appear to be over-the-top) might have a rational basis? 

Have you ever been unfairly accused of being anxious?

Is some anxiety healthy for those with FA?

Do docs take our concerns seriously?

Are we sometimes being unreasonable?

Etc.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 18, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
I'll add a few of Boo's links here that I feel are relevant.

"Tigers In Our Midst: Groupthink, Anxiety and Allergy Communities"
http://foodallergybitch.blogspot.com/2012/01/groupthink-anxiety-and-allergy.html

"The Stress Lasagna"
http://foodallergybitch.blogspot.com/2012/04/stress-lasagna.html

"Are Food-Allergy Parents At War With Their Doctors?"
http://foodallergybitch.blogspot.com/2013/03/are-food-allergy-parents-at-war-with.html

"When Food-Allergy Mortality Smacks You Upside the Head"
http://foodallergybitch.blogspot.com/2013/07/when-food-allergy-mortality-smacks-you.html

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Here are a few KFA links.

"Anxious About Food Allergies? You Are Not Alone"
http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/resourcespre.php?id=49&title=anxiety_about_food_allergies

"Anxiety in Children with Food Allergies"
http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/resourcespre.php?id=111&title=anxiety_in_food_allergic_children

"How to Keep Your Food-Allergic Child From Feeling Left Out"
http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/resourcespre.php?id=169&title=food_allergies_grief_anxiety_and_depression
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 18, 2013, 11:13:13 AM
I'd have to reveal my bias. The other FA parent in our household is a researcher in human behavior minimally using SEM to explore causative analysis on top of correlation rather than simpler linear regression that is only capable of simpler correlation. We also actively engage in reading such research for sample and confirmation bias as well as have high expectations for external validity on conclusions.

I also know how limited these sort of research endeavors are on human subjects so they are often limited to self-reports and observation for the most part, sometimes second hand observation through reports. Chapter and verse on IRB.

The published papers tend to be rife with biases, using comparatively primitive math than SEM with little to no external validity sourced from observation and self-report. I'm sure they make great toilet paper.

Meanwhile at the immunological research and journal publication ranch... we have put one editor of a major journal on track with a source to introduce more complex mathematical modeling in immunological research. I'm not sure it would solve the mystery of allergic disease but there would doubtless be a net positive to test causality in mechanisms.

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Because there is some interest in causality (vs. correlation), we talked briefly about the use of Structural Equation Modeling (SEM) in the analysis in immunology.  SEM is an extension of general linear regression but has several advantages.  It provides a mechanism to test causality, provides simultaneous estimation of terms as to not inflate alpha, to test path models which could be used to model many of the mechanisms, takes into account error in measurement, and most importantly provides a mechanism for exploring endogenous and exogenous “latent” variables.


I can correlate anything. I could correlate anxiety to the researchers who publish papers on anxiety. I've said my piece on the matter. Less money dedicated to crap in order to dedicate to improved research on allergic disease.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 18, 2013, 11:16:51 AM
GREAT thread.     :heart:


Here are some starter questions ...

Do you experience FA anxiety?  How do you manage it?  How has the anxiety affected your day-to-day life and/or your relationships with others?   Have you been treated in a caring and respectful way?

I'll have to come back to this one at some point.   Early in the journey (we've been doing this for 14y at this point), it was VERY stressful-- partly that was about multiple food allergens and severe reaction history in a toddler, and partly it was about not yet being thick-skinned enough to just get OUT of situations when our judgment told us they were unsafe.  Family and friends were not supportive, by and large-- and they often thought that they WERE trying to be so, which increased friction and our desire to not seem "unreasonable" given their apparent effort, in spite of how inadequate it was in the face of what was necessary.  KWIM?  Anxiety has had a corrosive effect on my relationship with my DH, because once we were forced to divide-and-conquer by having a full-time SAHP, our observations and perspectives shifted.  We no longer shared a common frame of reference, if you will.  I faced daily situations that stressed me out, and he didn't.  Ergo, he didn't SEE certain things as inherently dangerous in the same way that I did because he lacked my context.  (Visiting the local playground/park, for example-- he couldn't understand why it gave me palpitations, and I could NOT convince him that I was not being irrational.)

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Do you think food allergy support groups help the anxiety?  Do they make it worse?  Is it a little more complicated?

More complicated, I think.  It just so much depends on whether the 'median/normative' experience with a support group matches YOUR needs-- if it doesn't, it tends to increase anxiety.  FAAN did that for us initially.  It wasn't until I found this community that I had what I needed-- a group whose average experiences were closer to what we seemed to be experiencing day to day.  I felt like an alien when I read the cheery "don't worry, just bring your own cupcakes" advice from some other support organizations.

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How about FA articles/studies on anxiety?  What do you think about those articles/studies?

They seem mostly like common sense to me.  Well, some of them do-- the ones that actually look at a cross-section of REAL patients/families rather than cherry-picking a sample that practices more minimal management (probably because of a higher threshold dose).  The speculative ones sometimes REALLY tick me off-- because they all seem to have a whiff of "mostly, these are women "(and why is it "mothers" in these, huh??) " who should be monitored carefully for the development of MBP, and by the way, we need to limit the amount of damage that they are doing to their kids..."

 ~)  Yeah-- teaching them to ask questions and be alert around obvious sources of an allergen is "abusive" apparently, in some of those articles.

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Can allergists diagnose anxiety?  Can mental health professionals truly understand the FA life and how some behavior (that may first appear to be over-the-top) might have a rational basis? 

Unfortunately, while both groups SHOULD have insights, they often don't have a full enough picture to really distinguish for an individual just when anxiety crosses from 'rational' to 'irrational' but it doesn't stop them from making pronouncements about it.  The best allergists seem to live with it themselves-- otherwise, they can't really fully grasp what it is to live with FA day after day.  Harsh, but true.  Similarly, mental health professionals too frequently seem to think that "food allergy" that can result in death is a "rare" thing that can't possibly apply to YOU... in which case, you need help with your "irrational" beliefs. 

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Have you ever been unfairly accused of being anxious?


Absolutely.  Most hurtfully by my spouse and closest friends, by my mother, even.  I have been vindicated many times over in the years since, but yes-- this was lonely and horrible beyond my words to explain it.  I do think that this experience has left me with PTSD, every bit as much as any of the horrific life-threatening reactions that I have witnessed.

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Is some anxiety healthy for those with FA?


I think so-- clearly avoidance IS based on "fear" or "anxiety" at its most basic level.  There is a point, though, when even clearly RATIONAL anxiety becomes maladaptive, and is unhealthy.  Unfortunately, this is the unenviable position that a lot of parents/people with MFA and very low threshold doses find themselves-- we could really use help from a mental health professional, but "help" needs to acknowledge that the fear IS completely rational.  Too often, that point is not acknowledged, and honestly-- it can only go one of two ways from there:  1.  patient erroneously believes that fear IS irrational and takes risks that place them in danger of fatality without correctly assessing the risk, only the benefit, or 2.  the patient doesn't trust or respect the therapist.

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Do docs take our concerns seriously?

The good ones do.  I have used this as a litmus test for physicians, frankly-- following my DD9's lead there, I realized that any physician that treats her dismissively is someone that she probably can't view as a "partner" in her care anymore.

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Are we sometimes being unreasonable?

Etc.

NO doubt.  When we based our demands on others on what "might" pose a risk, rather than what DOES pose one (based on data and past experience), then we probably should second-guess ourselves, and try harder to push out into the zone that makes us a bit uncomfortable rather than living an attenuated version of "full life" on the basis of unknowns.  I'm a big fan of challenges to establish sensitivity where there are questions about this.  It's hard to do that, yes-- but necessary, IMO.  You're never going to be wishy-washy about something that you KNOW is a risk, and you'll let go of stuff that you think is manageable under those conditions.

Not knowing leads to a lifetime of fighting the bogeyman-- and can escalate into irrational anxiety.  Well, the rational sort is hard enough with food allergies, so no need to ADD to it.    I also think that doctors ought to be a LOT more assertive in telling people when they simply have no evidence of actual food allergy.  "Yes, your skin test indicates sensitization to tangerines, but you can eat them without any ill effects, since you have done that in the office with us.  You are NOT allergic to this food."

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 18, 2013, 12:37:47 PM
More about that last point-- even failed food challenges can be quite helpful in terms of managing anxiety and placing bounds upon it.  The reason is that once you've SEEN "what will happen" then it (usually) becomes less terrifying than imagining 'the worst' when you aren't even sure-- emotionally, I mean-- what "worst" would look/feel like.

An example:  I am terrified of air travel on the basis of DD's sensitivity to pn/tn.  My knee-jerk reaction to "I'd like to go on this overseas trip," was AYFKM?? NO.

But then... I thought about it.  Were there ways to reduce risk?  Yes.  Could I reduce it to 'acceptable' in light of the benefit?  Maybe... it took a long time, and a rock-solid partnership with a really great allergist who KNOWS that we aren't reactionary or irrational... but we eventually settled on a series of barriers, doing the best that we could to choose nut-free airlines, and traveling with LARGE amounts of medication in event of emergency... premedicating with everything that we could possibly throw at her immune system to tamp it down tightly ahead of flights.... avoiding other risks in the weeks ahead of travel (to avoid filling the allergy cup at all) and being freakish about avoiding illness ahead of flights. 


I recalled all that Peg did to set her son up to travel to (and from) the UK for his college exchange, because her DS has similar sensitivity to that of my own DD. 


Now we know.  It's possible to do a trans-continental flight with someone as sensitive as my DD.  It's also mostly not worth it-- 12 hours of near-hyperventilation from sheer terror is more than either one of us is eager to repeat.  Ever.  This is an example of pushing "possible" into the red zone, IMO.  It was worth it-- once.  She loved Europe and would eagerly go back-- if not for the flights.

 Sort of like attending a baseball game with only a peanut-free "section" that requires you to assume that there will be nuts everywhere ELSE in the park that night.  As a regular risk, probably not a good idea, because eventually you're going to get unlucky in a big way.  At least that is how we looked at it. 



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 18, 2013, 01:31:28 PM
TT,  can you translate that complicated post using some simple terms  :) ?  Otherwise, I'm going to be forced to consult Google  :) .

CM, I just love reading your thoughts on things ... always so interesting, insightful, & helpful.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 18, 2013, 01:59:35 PM
I shine when it comes to making the obscure vulgar.

The papers are weak sauce No :poop:, Sherlock. I congratulate them on continued academically pointless character assassination--well-played. Where's the research on mechanisms? Causality? Oh, right.

Essentially, all the researchers have right under their nose throughout this entire foray into allergic disease the potential to examine causality in mechanisms through more advanced mathematical models. Psych uses it all the time, many areas of research do. But immunology has not. Yet the garbage correlation on mom's anxiety keep rolling in under the umbrella of immunology. At some point you have to question the priorities on research which I can tell you is costly in terms of time and money.

It's also highly flawed when you start off with sample bias (let's use moms. Not dads, parents. Just moms), then compound it with confirmation bias (moms are anxiety ridden we're just setting this up to see how anxiety ridden), then excrete a conclusion far, far too close to a tautology where your conclusion is your opening statement repeated.

I can fight these in a 504 scenario with hard counters. I can show the school empirically that no one is free of either anxiety or free of emotion in decision making, males and females alike. Can most parents do this without specialized knowledge on the fly during 504 process or at a doctor's office? A little unfair to the unsuspecting.

I don't know if I made any more sense but I'd be happy to later post definitions of bias types, external validity. I'll spoiler them to conserve space no point in everyone scrolling half a mile.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 18, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
Yeah-- honestly, LIFE-THREATENING food allergy... let's see...

are you--

1. somewhat anxious about this?

2. so stupid that the words "life" and "threatening" don't mean anything to you?

That's the problem with research like this.  I mean, sure-- HOW anxious is a reasonable question, but it's not all that useful to anyone to know what the AVERAGE looks like there, nor to focus on ways to "reduce" anxiety.  At least not until you determine whether or not this is a set of somewhat realistic/reasonable concerns for the population involved.  Most of these studies never attempt that, even in surveys where it would be relatively easy to do so by asking questions about reaction history and frequency in addition to QOL questions focused on anxiety.  Sorry, but someone who has one positive skin test at 3yo to one (unusual) tree nut does NOT live in the same universe that someone who has aerosol/contact reactivity and multiple ER trips for wheat lives in.  If they are both equally anxious, then one of them probably needs some help-- but these studies do very little to tease apart WHICH ONE does.

Yes.  Confirmation bias run amok.  :dalek:

It's one thing to define a patient population and then STUDY that patient population, but if you look at all people who... say... have seen an orthodontist... well, that is a fairly diverse group.  SOME of that group no doubt experiences far more "negative feelings" about the process, but that means nothing, in all likelihood-- it probably doesn't even amount to useful predictive interventions for clinicians.  Same thing here.

There are multivariate methods of treating more nuanced data collection, and GOOD GOLLY, it is high time someone thought to utilize them.

Better still, my anxiety would be a LOT lower if one of two things happened:

a) my daughter had better legal protections that were more widely recognized, and
b) someone with her severity and MFA had a chance at desensitization that wasn't really dangerous.

I'd MUCH rather that $$ went to those things.  I know that I'm anxious.  I also know WHY I'm anxious.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 18, 2013, 02:54:28 PM
Or merely asking the research to be productive and of benefit to the human subjects studied. *Help* psych and med contextualize the anxiety with external validity (real world circumstances not under control) so that there is a body of work that serves as a bridge of communication between the two that is not dismissive but mindful of the patient's history and true risk-benefit.

Maybe the more productive correlation is to anxiety of survivors in war torn areas riddled with undisclosed land mines. It matters how they frame the investigation, design the study and measure with questionable accuracy to conclusions that are contestable and quite possibly inapplicable to the subjects.

Wait, why am I rambling?  :coffee:
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 18, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
 :watch:
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 18, 2013, 09:04:42 PM
Clearly this stuff touches raw nerves.  Maybe it's just me.   :hiding:
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 18, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
On this my husband and I are of like mind, he maybe more as a scientist involved in journals and peer review less tolerant about "lazy" science (his words). It's through him as the FA dad that I've been forced to keep up with him on matters in the world of academia and research. The difference is I post here he doesn't. Same for my FIL who is a long time hard science researcher, however DH does experiment with emotions in human subjects so it gets kind of compounded?

Me, I just want them all to get past my uterus and get on with the autoimmune mechanisms, but better and harder than before explicitly with greater attention to causality. It's harder, it takes more time but I feel when you look at the sunk costs of data analysis it's worthwhile to push the boundary. But what can I do, you know? We're already working right at journal editors directly. I have no other recourse but for volleys such as that where and when we can.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: SilverLining on December 18, 2013, 09:55:20 PM

Do you experience FA anxiety? 

not as much as I. Used to.

How do you manage it? 

I try to eliminate things that would cause anxiety.  I try to control my own food.

How has the anxiety affected your day-to-day life and/or your relationships with others? 

my allergies affect them.  I don't think my anxiety directly affects them.

 Have you been treated in a caring and respectful way?

treated by who?  I don't understand.

Do you think food allergy support groups help the anxiety?  Do they make it worse?  Is it a little more complicated?

I don't think I could ever attend a support group for anything.  I did get help from on-line support groups (like FAS).

How about FA articles/studies on anxiety?  What do you think about those articles/studies?

off hand can't think of any I've read.  I think I've read a few, but just don't remember them.  Probably they related to parental anxiety, so didn't relate

Can allergists diagnose anxiety?  Can mental health professionals truly understand the FA life and how some behavior (that may first appear to be over-the-top) might have a rational basis? 

 Pfft!  The allergist I was seeing said "those peanut parents" were all over-reacting when they talked about cross contamination.  Obviously he was no help.  I never saw a mental health professional.  I was able to get myself to a place I 'm comfortable with.

Have you ever been unfairly accused of being anxious?

My answer to that would probably change based on my mood.

Is some anxiety healthy for those with FA?

absolutely

Do docs take our concerns seriously?

my allergist did not.

Are we sometimes being unreasonable?

No idea what that question means.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 19, 2013, 07:37:39 AM
Clearly this stuff touches raw nerves.  Maybe it's just me.   :hiding:

No, no - it's not just you.

Raw nerves for me, extremely.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 19, 2013, 07:52:52 AM
How has the anxiety affected your day-to-day life and/or your relationships with others? 

my allergies affect them.  I don't think my anxiety directly affects them.

 Have you been treated in a caring and respectful way?

treated by who?  I don't understand.

This is all general - not directed at you personally SL ...

It could be anybody you have a relationship with (family, friend, doctor, school, etc.).  Did they try to give you support?  Did they ridicule you?  Did they get angry?  Did they try to be patient and kind, taking extra time to understand your concerns (and then did they try to address those concerns)?  Did they gently suggest that maybe you could benefit from some counseling? Give you a hug and take you to dinner?

Have you ever been unfairly accused of being anxious?

My answer to that would probably change based on my mood.

 ;D

Are we sometimes being unreasonable?

No idea what that question means.

I guess people could read into this ? in different ways.  For example, unreasonable in
accommodations we ask for.  Unreasonable in the sense that maybe our anxiety has crossed over
from being rational and balanced to unhealthy.  Unreasonable in what precautions we take to avoid allergens. Etc.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: SilverLining on December 19, 2013, 08:34:24 AM
Give you a hug and take you to dinner?

 :rofl:  for me, that would be about as unsupportive as possible.  But, I get what you mean.

Mostly my immediate family has been very supportive.  When my husband went through a period of severe anxiety (following his own health scare) he was referred to a psychologist who turned it all into MY fault.  It wasn't, and eventually my husband realized it.  But that was a very difficult time for us.


Are we sometimes being unreasonable?

No idea what that question means.


I guess people could read into this ? in different ways.  For example, unreasonable in
accommodations we ask for.  Unreasonable in the sense that maybe our anxiety has crossed over
from being rational and balanced to unhealthy.  Unreasonable in what precautions we take to avoid allergens. Etc.

OK.  I think we are all probably unreasonable sometimes.  But I also think we may appear more unreasonable then we actually are.

Many here take precautions that I feel would be unreasonable for me to take.  And I take precautions others here don't.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: spacecanada on December 20, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
I definitely experience food allergy anxiety and do what I can to avoid it, often keeping me at home or in safe places.  It can become quite limiting, particularly in social situations involving food.  I see anxiety in some children with allergies but not all.  It seems to depend on their threshold levels and their parents' attitudes towards the allergy.  Sadly, the parents who en

After a recent anaphylactic reaction (Epi, ambulance, hospital, biphasic), I suffered from short-term PTSD.  Thankfully, my GP is highly aware of food allergies and anxiety, and was quick to recognise the anxiety disorder.  According to her, a level of post-trauma stress is considered normal for severe reactions, and they won't do much for it unless severe symptoms last more than a month or there is threat to life (i.e. suicidal thoughts), much like any other anxiety disorder.  Can they understand food allergy anxiety - yes and no.  They can understand the mechanics of anxiety but not necessarily the nuances of food being everywhere.

Are we being irrational?  That one is really difficult to answer.  I see both ends of the spectrum regularly.  I can be highly anxious in certain situations because I have very low thresholds and anaphylaxic reactions to traces of traces.  Is that rational, probably.  But, the parent who had a blood panel done on her kid, with no reaction history, and believes them to be severely allergic to items on that test and demanding the classroom to be free of 26 different allergens and traces and the whole nine yards seems irrational to me.  Does the irrational behaviour of people with allergies, or intolerances for that matter, stem from misinformation, lack of current allergy education, or is it their will to remain ignorant or demand accommodations that aren't necessary?  Do we sometimes demand extra (sometimes unreasonable) precautions because we don't entirely trust the people we're asking them from?  This is a VERY complex topic.

Have I been treated in a caring and respectful way?  By most people, yes.  Have people taunted me, not believed me, and waved nuts in front of my face or tried to slip nuts into my food, yes, but those people are in the minority and I try to avoid spending time with them. 

Edited: abbreviated details to keep on topic.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 20, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
For kicks some of you may want to take a look at FEMA's certification program for emergency management. In it the procedures are strikingly similar for FA management, but in the course (free for the taking but you must register with FEMA for an ID) it is referred to as preparedness, not anxiety. With my background it's a good match, especially if I went further with CATS, DTRA, and so forth. For me I don't do much different in allergen management than I did managing any other physical danger but one is considered positive job skill the other a personal weakness.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 21, 2013, 10:38:27 AM
TT, that's what I consider so bemusing about this.  If I treat a food allergen the way that I would a toxic substance...  I'm considered paranoid... but in the lab, I am considered "prudent" by regulators.   Wacky.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 21, 2013, 01:04:47 PM
Spacecanada,

Did you mean to edit the last sentence of the 1st paragraph?

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I think we all need one big group  :grouphug: .  The views and experiences being shared here are from the trenches of FA life.

This is such a sensitive topic .... I started it, and I'm hesitant to personally jump in myself.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: booandbrimom on December 21, 2013, 01:54:03 PM
Well, you guys know what I think since I spill my guts in my blog!  :)

I ask myself every single day why I'm not pushing harder to see where my son stands now. I have a new restaurant I think he could try - my husband and I both went in and talked to them and it seems o.k. I drive by it every day from work, so it would be simple to stop in and pick up dinner.

I don't do it.

Part of my hesitation is the subconscious anxiety I've been programmed to feel. Some of it is the conscious awareness of what it takes to deal with an allergic reaction. And yet, I have to balance both of those things against the possibility that I'm probably restricting foods that are perfectly safe at this point.

It's really screwed up. I know it. I do what I can do, and try to forgive myself for what I can't manage.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 21, 2013, 02:06:40 PM
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Some of it is the conscious awareness of what it takes to deal with an allergic reaction.

I'm really glad that you brought that up.  I feel really guilty about this sometimes, but I, too, have calculated this as part of my risk-benefit analysis of situations, and thought.....

ughhhhhh-- NO WAY do I have it in me today.  Some other time...

 :misspeak:
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: Gray on December 21, 2013, 05:30:13 PM
On second thought, I think that I should stay out of this thread.

 :bonking:
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 21, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
The harsh truth is allergists/immunologists really have nothing to offer but challenges and EpiPen prescriptions on a broad basis at this point in time. For their branch of medicine it has also been one that has not gotten too far in developments, and the developments that have been made have been reversed more than once.

There's Xolair which is not economically feasible and still in refinement (see next generation CemX).
There's OIT, the best I've heard it put a dead end. Never made FDA approval for general roll out.

So what's left for them to modify? I'm guessing instead of being able to alleviate what they term anxiety through means that address the stimulus of that anxiety, they go for the anxiety itself while still advocating total avoidance. A lot of this is created when it's someone else's kid. I have no doubt the finest surgeon could perform admirable delicate surgery on a pediatric patient with only mild anxiety. I'm not sure the same surgeon could do it on his or her own child at all, never mind without extreme anxiety. We are our kids doctors for the most part. When I go to the allergist it's for the labs and consultation, not the administration of monitoring and emergent treatment.

Personal judgment from allergist? Knock yourself out. But DO NOT malign me to my insurance company, my child's institution of education, or otherwise throw further road blocks into other areas of development because YOU HAVE NOTHING to alleviate the condition.

Instead, please consider working with me because I've been in britches-soiling situations before with appropriate resolve but I've got more at stake here than my own butt and I have a razor-thin margin of error in perpetuity until they magically outgrow all their allergies or there's a medicine. The factors are dynamic and interrelated, there is no static lab conditions based on the statistical mean ruling my universe.

I've seen a lot of immunologists and immunology researchers work relentlessly mechanisms, and still more steering the course of clinical allergy medicine towards individual patient needs. Both of those are heartening to me and I appreciate incredibly. Unfortunately "Just Don't Worry" is about as effective as "Just Say No". There is 0% change to the stimulus that would incite concern over what you need to know/do/avoid to stay alive.

That dear readers is why I am beyond eyerolling and facepalming over these stupid anxiety studies.

Maybe I'm overlooking something big and obvious, I'm extremely imperfect, but that's how I see it. You can stop worrying! Really? Cool, are we cured? Um, no. Okay, some sort of preventative medicine. Well, not yet. Mechanism discovered and reversible? Ah, not as such.

Then WHAT? Empty pockets? Sure, I'll just be back to avoidance then if it's okay with you.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 21, 2013, 10:55:35 PM


{APPLAUSE}


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 23, 2013, 07:02:44 AM
ok, let me give this a try ...

When dd was first diagnosed, there was some anxiety which is probably normal.  Educating myself and joining this group made me feel much more confident in my ability to handle the condition and decreased my anxiety.  I tend to agree with Boo, though, that it is so important to keep risk in perspective.

It is often the case that the brunt of food allergy management falls on the mother.  Sometimes she is given an almost impossible directive to follow.  I'm talking in general here (not talking about my personal situation) - Say an allergist tells a mom that she should do her best to avoid all sesame seeds, and even shared lines and facilities that have excellent allergen control measures and cleaning procedures in place.  Many allergists have no idea how hard this is because of poor labeling and food manufacturers being unwilling to share that information.

This brings me to a point that CM made - I am also a big fan of food challenges (done by a qualified allergist).  I think in most cases (pass or fail) it helps the family to know what needs to be avoided and gives some idea as to where things stand in terms of sensitivity (which of course can change and so can't be totally depended on).  I think most challenges decrease anxiety.  However, there are always exceptions.  Having a huge rxn might increase anxiety for a while.  Having an unusual case where a person "passes", still has symptoms, and then friction occurs between the parent(s) and the allergist (this has been described by several people on the board) would likely increase anxiety.

Another area that causes food allergy stress & anxiety for many - dealing with people who are, let's say, refractory to food allergy education  :) .  Sometimes there is a real cause for concern so I would not say that such anxiety is unwarranted.


I still have many more thoughts on this "anxiety" topic.  To be continued ....

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: Linden on December 23, 2013, 08:52:38 AM
I feel like we get hit in all directions.  On the one hand we get studies telling us we are too anxious and on the other hand we get studies telling us we (parents) are not vigilant enough (e.g. the Mount Sinai study showing the rate of accidental ingestion of allergens is too high). 

I find it frustrating to hear doctors say anaphylaxis is "rare" and parents should be "reassured". Oh sure, go tell that to all the parents whose child had a "mild" allergy and never had a severe reaction until the day their child died.  And while you are at it, go and reassure all the parents and adults who are dealing with allergies so severe they don't even tell their allergist half of what goes on because they have already been told it's "impossible".

I am so thankful that my allergist doesn't believe any of the "rare" and "reassuring" nonsense.
 
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 23, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
And while you are at it, go and reassure all the parents and adults who are dealing with allergies so severe they don't even tell their allergist half of what goes on because they have already been told it's "impossible".


If patients/parents feel they are not being given the benefit of the doubt when they report symptoms, this can lead to big problems.  Breakdowns in communication can be dangerous.

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Now, that's not to say that the symptoms are always "real" or from FA.  That's why double-blind challenges are so helpful (it's not so easy to determine whether symptoms are truly due to FA).

"Placebo reactions in double-blind, placebo-controlled food challenges in children"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01430.x/abstract

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One problem I see is that if the allergist truly feels the symptoms are "impossible", the focus may prematurely be diverted from investigating those reported symptoms in an objective way & instead turn to solving/handling the "issue" of the (often) mom's/patient's "anxiety" (or other mental health issue).  Again, I am speaking in general terms - from years of hearing FAS experiences.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 24, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
"The Age of Anxiety Breathing"
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/11/06/the-age-of-anxiety-breathing/

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I suspected a particular problem that is both common and obscure. In the wrong hands it might be regarded as asthma, and treated in cookie-cutter fashion.


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Unrelated to the above ....

If others perceived or believed you to be anxious (regardless of whether or not this was actually correct), did that affect your ability to effectively advocate for yourself or your child?

Does mental illness stigma come into play?
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 24, 2013, 12:28:39 PM
I don't know for sure... but I do know that DD has had pretty severe asthma symptoms (probably really anaphylaxis, not asthma per se) dismissed by others as "a panic attack" or as "anxiety" and told to control her breathing and RELAX.

Not helpful if it's actually asthma or anaphylaxis in progress, since knowing that you're surrounded by people who are ignoring your sense of grave danger doesn't exactly make you feel better about your odds for survival.   :-/

 :dunce:  Not sure why that aspect of things never seems to occur to others who preach "mind over matter" with this stuff.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 24, 2013, 12:35:37 PM
On the occasion it is attempted it has never persisted. I'm too prepared. Which has been pointed out by an attorney I spoke to that my method has a tendency to piss people off when I call bs. She wanted to cut a deal.

F me?

Oh, no. F you.

I tend to not internalize many things and I'm not sure if my unreasonably large ego has anything to do with it. Mainly I get annoyed when I feel there's some subjective tapdancing that gets in the way of goal whether that goal be my insurance covering the ambulance to ER, allergist bill, IRS deductible medical expense, 504/IEP. People getting in my way with distractive nonsense.

I've accepted the reality of life with LTFA. It sucks so suck up with a plan moving forward this let's contemplate how much it sucks and standardize how one is expected to emote is a time waster in my world compounded by crappy bias filled analysis.

Honestly, I've seen Sicherer in person, other FA parent traveled 10,000 km for an allergy congress, we already do all the gold standard stuff in tests and challenges. That's all there is to it for now. One thing I am not adding to my life list of to do is sit around kicking my own a** because ignorance without anything at stake abounds. Point that obsession elsewhere.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: Janelle205 on December 24, 2013, 12:47:49 PM
I don't know for sure... but I do know that DD has had pretty severe asthma symptoms (probably really anaphylaxis, not asthma per se) dismissed by others as "a panic attack" or as "anxiety" and told to control her breathing and RELAX.

Not helpful if it's actually asthma or anaphylaxis in progress, since knowing that you're surrounded by people who are ignoring your sense of grave danger doesn't exactly make you feel better about your odds for survival.   :-/

 :dunce:  Not sure why that aspect of things never seems to occur to others who preach "mind over matter" with this stuff.

I'm pretty good at telling anxiety from asthma, and I hate it when people tell me to 'calm down' during a bad attack - I can't mind over matter my airway closing, but thanks.

I'm really used to asthma at this point.  When I talk to the camp counselors about asthma, I tell them that one way to tell if I am having an attack that they need to worry about is whether or not I look like I'm panicking.  Because I can stay really quite calm during pretty bad attacks.  But if I have the epi in hand and out of the case, or I look like I'm scared, you should probably be freaking out too.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 24, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
On the occasion it is attempted it has never persisted. I'm too prepared.

There was one time I was not expecting it.  It came from a place that was supposed to be helpful.  My emotional guard was down, my vulnerable side exposed. That's why I think it hurt so much.

Anyway, you all "get" it, understand it.   :heart:

TT, from what I've seen of you, I would not want to mess with you!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 24, 2013, 01:52:36 PM
I eat my fair share of poop sandwiches like anyone else. Pretty and witty would get me further in life.

It's hard for us as moms to get the kick when we're most vulnerable (our children's LIVES). That's a truth no matter the source of the threat.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 24, 2013, 02:04:14 PM
It's hard for us as moms to get the kick when we're most vulnerable (our children's LIVES). That's a truth no matter the source of the threat.

Yes.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 26, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
I feel like we get hit in all directions.  On the one hand we get studies telling us we are too anxious and on the other hand we get studies telling us we (parents) are not vigilant enough (e.g. the Mount Sinai study showing the rate of accidental ingestion of allergens is too high). 

I find it frustrating to hear doctors say anaphylaxis is "rare" and parents should be "reassured". 


I was thinking more about this.  I'm not sure if you had this study in mind, but these are 2 interesting blog posts about the recent "FA deaths are rare" study.

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"If food allergy deaths in food-allergic individuals are rare, do we change our ways?"
http://foodallergysleuth.blogspot.com/2013/12/if-food-allergy-deaths-in-food-allergic.html
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The study authors certainly have noble intentions of this study reducing the anxiety faced by food allergic individuals or their caregivers.


"FOOD ALLERGY: A LOT IS RIDING ON OUR TIRES"
http://www.allergyhome.org/blogger/food-allergy-a-lot-is-riding-on-our-tires/
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For me, their findings convey the unlikelihood of a fatal anaphylactic reaction if appropriate management strategies are implemented, and provide me with some reassurance.

(FWIW, I liked the way he framed this.)

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Also, ana itself does not appear to be rare:
"ANAPHYLAXIS IN AMERICA"
http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=6&sub=110&cont=882
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According to the peer-reviewed study, anaphylaxis very likely occurs in nearly 1-in-50 Americans (1.6%), and the rate is probably higher, close to 1-in-20 (5.1%).


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One thing that differentiates food allergy from some other health issues is that the outcome seems to be so dependent on the daily efforts of patients/parents.  With some diseases - you get a good doc, take medicine, but the outcome is largely out of your control.  With FA, we know that the majority of reactions can be prevented, but it takes such constant vigilance which can be stressful.  Plus, we have incomplete or sometimes incorrect labeling information to work with which, I think, is part of the reason FA people are so active online (which manufacturer/product do you trust type conversations).  There's a million little risk-benefit calculations we do.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 26, 2013, 11:56:35 AM
We are our kids doctors for the most part.

TT, I can delete this post if you'd like ... I think all of us oldies completely get where you're coming from here, but newbies might take this the wrong way.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 27, 2013, 11:57:49 AM
I can fight these in a 504 scenario with hard counters. I can show the school empirically that no one is free of either anxiety or free of emotion in decision making, males and females alike. Can most parents do this without specialized knowledge on the fly during 504 process or at a doctor's office? A little unfair to the unsuspecting.

I don't know if I made any more sense but I'd be happy to later post definitions of bias types, external validity. I'll spoiler them to conserve space no point in everyone scrolling half a mile.

No rush TT - I hope you are enjoying the holidays.  I'm just taking this thread in.

Are there any simple strategies to nip the "mom is just anxious" thing in the bud that you could share so the rest of us could keep them in our back pocket?  I've only had this problem with a couple of people, but once it gets started, it seems it can snowball. 

Yes, that explanation made more sense to me.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: Linden on December 28, 2013, 11:40:34 AM

I was thinking more about this.  I'm not sure if you had this study in mind, but these are 2 interesting blog posts about the recent "FA deaths are rare" study.

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"If food allergy deaths in food-allergic individuals are rare, do we change our ways?"
[url]http://foodallergysleuth.blogspot.com/2013/12/if-food-allergy-deaths-in-food-allergic.html[/url]
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The study authors certainly have noble intentions of this study reducing the anxiety faced by food allergic individuals or their caregivers.


"FOOD ALLERGY: A LOT IS RIDING ON OUR TIRES"
[url]http://www.allergyhome.org/blogger/food-allergy-a-lot-is-riding-on-our-tires/[/url]
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For me, their findings convey the unlikelihood of a fatal anaphylactic reaction if appropriate management strategies are implemented, and provide me with some reassurance.

(FWIW, I liked the way he framed this.)

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Also, ana itself does not appear to be rare:
"ANAPHYLAXIS IN AMERICA"
[url]http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=6&sub=110&cont=882[/url]
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According to the peer-reviewed study, anaphylaxis very likely occurs in nearly 1-in-50 Americans (1.6%), and the rate is probably higher, close to 1-in-20 (5.1%).




Yes, these studies and others.  I thought I saw another study that found a 40% rate of anaphylaxis among allergic children - maybe it was 40% had severe reactions?
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 28, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Yes, these studies and others.  I thought I saw another study that found a 40% rate of anaphylaxis among allergic children - maybe it was 40% had severe reactions?


Hmmm, I'm not sure about the 40% one, but this blog post references a few beauties:

"The Snarky Sociologist"
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/07/30/the-snarky-sociologist/

Well, at least in this, it was not just moms targeted!
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“Your kid doesn’t have an allergy to nuts. Your kid has a parent who needs to feel special” Stein blamed the epidemic on overreporting, then found out the hard way when his own son suffered anaphylaxis to tree nuts.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 28, 2013, 02:17:15 PM
I'll put this in here also ...

Nutritional behaviour and attitudes to food in allergic children.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 28, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
I can fight these in a 504 scenario with hard counters. I can show the school empirically that no one is free of either anxiety or free of emotion in decision making, males and females alike. Can most parents do this without specialized knowledge on the fly during 504 process or at a doctor's office? A little unfair to the unsuspecting.

I don't know if I made any more sense but I'd be happy to later post definitions of bias types, external validity. I'll spoiler them to conserve space no point in everyone scrolling half a mile.

No rush TT - I hope you are enjoying the holidays.  I'm just taking this thread in.

Are there any simple strategies to nip the "mom is just anxious" thing in the bud that you could share so the rest of us could keep them in our back pocket?  I've only had this problem with a couple of people, but once it gets started, it seems it can snowball. 

Yes, that explanation made more sense to me.  Thanks.

Links, my strategy with such people is two-pronged, if you will:

a.  note this carefully and realize that they have an axe to grind-- their disbelief makes them dangerous.  I will NOT leave my child in such a person's hands without me being present to run interference and triple-check safety.  Even now, if I get this kind of "vibe" from a person, I hear that Star Trek red-alert noise in my head, and I tell my DD to watch out for this person-- and why.

b.  Present fact.  Not opinion-- fact-- which is incompatible with statements that they've made to me, or the underlying beliefs that are likely to be behind them.  Then ask innocent-sounding questions about what they think that means...  Yes, this is slightly manipulative.  I don't mind.  It also takes time to let them churn on it, as often as not-- and THAT, sometimes I do mind, because it can be seriously inconvenient or stressful.  But I have never ever had a person that didn't-- eventually-- see it my way. 

For example, when my DD was about four, my mother and I got into a major argument over why I wouldn't let my DD eat watermelon that she had sliced up in her kitchen and brought to my house.  "It's not house policy" wasn't good enough.  So I bullied her using the kinds of quantities found in research papers on threshold doses (at the time), asked her just HOW confident she was that she had not used anything nutty in her kitchen within two days.. three days.... longer?  Just HOW sure was she that a microscopic crevice in that container wasn't harboring any egg residue?  Pointed out that DD reacted very significantly even to steam-cleaned lines used to make pasta... and then I asked her how she'd feel if she were wrong.  Would it still feel "worth it" to her then?

When she was five, her allergist espoused the opinion that sending her to school would be "work, but feasible."  He simply didn't believe in aerosol-provocation of systemic reactions.  I knew that he was wrong in DD's case, but no amount of MY opinion was going to budge him.  So I bided my time, and let him SEE that I wasn't crazy or over-reactive.  I graciously told him that we'd have to agree to disagree, because I knew what I'd seen.  We did reach common ground in that he conceded that any environment which was THAT contaminated was probably an unacceptably high risk for eventual inadvertent ingestion anyway, and so it was a good sign to "vacate the location" even if he didn't think that inhalation was a real "risk."  In and of itself, I mean.    I must say that my DH's skepticism a year before that hadn't done much to help my relationship with the allergist at that point in time, either.  Another story, that one.   :-[

After four years of immunotherapy injections, he and his office staff had seen enough weird and impossible things from her that they believed me.    Completely.  Of course, I think that it also has helped that he now has had the personal, delightful experience of turning over a kid with about three times DD's threshold to a school setting, too... so he gets it now in a way that he seriously just couldn't wrap his head around previously.

Bottom line, I find it unhelpful to get angry.  I wouldn't be ANGRY if my cat were unable to unlock the deadbolt if I locked myself out of the house, after all.  Ignorance isn't malevolent.  Mostly, with food allergies, ignorance is fueled by two things:  1.  previous anecdote that is counter to what they are hearing from me, and/or 2. sound bites or media reports from research studies that offer an "average" snapshot.  The latter is only helpful if your experience happens to be roughly average.  Otherwise it is distinctly UN-helpful.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on December 28, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
And I never have said "I told you so" to another person over this.  Never.

They are already feeling sheepish.  I catch their eye, perhaps, just to emphasize that "Hey-- THIS is what I've been saying to you all along," but I don't hold it against them when they finally have that epiphany.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 28, 2013, 07:41:31 PM
Bottom line, I find it unhelpful to get angry.  I wouldn't be ANGRY if my cat were unable to unlock the deadbolt if I locked myself out of the house, after all.  Ignorance isn't malevolent.  Mostly, with food allergies, ignorance is fueled by two things:  1.  previous anecdote that is counter to what they are hearing from me, and/or 2. sound bites or media reports from research studies that offer an "average" snapshot.  The latter is only helpful if your experience happens to be roughly average.  Otherwise it is distinctly UN-helpful.

Your posts have been in my mind the last few hours as I was doing some errands.  It may take me a while to respond to various things.

ok, this point you made - excellent.  I don't usually get angry - I agree that it tends to be unhelpful.
I'm not proud to admit that one incident pushed me too far and I did feel angry.  I think I still had some of those negative residual feelings which this therapeutic  :) thread will help me to fully get rid of. 

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 28, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
But I have never ever had a person that didn't-- eventually-- see it my way. 

Somehow, I believe that  :).  If you'd ever like to come visit me, there is someone I would love for you to meet  :).
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 29, 2013, 09:44:39 AM
CM, thank you for those posts.  I'm not going to get into every detail, but I think you know how deeply some of that resonates with me  :heart:.

We don't have anywhere near your sensitivity, but dealing for years with various skeptics who didn't believe in the allergy or that it was dangerous took a toll on me.  I'd like to say that I was as gracious as you in all cases, but I don't think that I can.

Going forward, I'm going to be more mindful of my raw nerves regarding this issue.  I can sometimes be strong-willed and intense if I have a specific goal in mind, but that along with the frustration that had built up from not being believed so many times ... it can come across in a bad way even though it's not my intention.  Now that I'm more aware of it, I'll try to tone it down a bit and try to be more respectful and considerate of how others are viewing the situation.

Regarding new docs, I'm going to try and tone it down with them too.  Otherwise, they sometimes can't "hear" what is really being said and I think it's too easy to get categorized as just another google-mom (which I guess I am, but we are so much more than that here).  If they want to eventually talk on deeper levels, I'd love to, but otherwise I'll just save that stuff for you guys. 
It can be hard to switch docs.  For ex - I was on a hugging basis with my pulmo of several years & she had no problem giving me a significant say in things.  My former allergist understood my struggles with people and he backed me up ... I trusted and respected him ... I wanted to be more aggressive with the challenges, but I understood his perspective also. 



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on December 29, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
re: my technique or strategy(?), I have nothing singular. Through talking to everyone here it doesn't seem to me that I do much different. The only thing I can think of is my tendency to externalize rather than internalize. Personal circumstance makes FA dad a human behavior expert so that's not something *I* bring to the table on my own.

Dunno. Can I raincheck when I understand the question better? Not you, I'm nursing a wound. Hurts like the dickens.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on December 29, 2013, 11:05:30 AM
Yes, of course TT ... I hope you feel better soon.   :grouphug:

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"I'm Not Neurotic: My Kid Has a Food Allergy"
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2013/10/02/im-not-neurotic-my-kid-has-a-food-allergy

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"What's the big deal?" an aunt asked about their food patrol efforts. "The big deal," she replied, "is that we end up at the hospital" – should eggs or tree nuts wind up on or near their daughter's plate.

When it comes to educating and convincing others about the imperatives that accompany food allergies, "it is constantly an uphill battle," Seymour says.


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"Managing Anxiety Related to Anaphylaxis in Childhood: A Systematic Review"
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ja/2012/316296/#B25
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This paper reviews the relationship between anxiety and anaphylaxis in children and youth, and principles for managing anxiety in the anaphylactic child and his or her parents.

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Other children continue to avoid certain foods despite a negative food challenge to those foods [25]. Repeating food challenges is reassuring in some but not all cases [25].


Is there sometimes a bias that assumes the repeat challenge will be negative and is only being done to help with anxiety?

Lala was told she was just being "anxious" ... to keep feeding the food.
Lala's DS-- passing a peanut challenge and REDEVELOPING the allergy

Another example.
The psychosocial impact of FA in children, adolescents, and families

There are false passes.

"False-negative oral food challenge"
http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/false-negative-oral-food-challenge.aspx

The reason that I'm pointing this out is that I'd really like it if another family did not have to go through the emotional stress that they did.  Yes, in some cases, anxiety may turn out to be the main issue, but in other cases, the allergy is persisting. 

I'm hearing Kermit
"sesame street - it's not easy being green"

Maybe the FAB can modify the song for us:  it's not easy being a FA mom.

 ;D

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Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on January 02, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Remember that no one is completely free of anxiety, or from emotion in decision making?

The first one should earn me instant BFF status at a 504 meeting.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Anxiety and Depression among School Principals – Warning, Principalship Can Be Hazardous to Your Health

Cited 33 times.
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A principal who participated in an exploratory study to ascertain the extent and sources of stress among school principals realized the apparent isolation and lack of support felt by a significant number of school principals. Argues that the high incidence of anxiety and depression among principals is in large measure related to the insistence on educational administration being a technical activity. Concludes with an appeal for a new notion of educational administration and raises a number of issues for further research.



Mental health, job satisfaction, and job stress among general practitioners.
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OBJECTIVE--To identify sources of job stress associated with high levels of job dissatisfaction and negative mental wellbeing among general practitioners in England. DESIGN--Multivariate analysis of large database of general practitioners compiled from results of confidential questionnaire survey. Data obtained on independent variables of job stress, demographic factors, and personality. Dependent variables were mental health, job satisfaction, alcohol consumption, and smoking. SETTING--National sample of general practitioners studied by university department of organisational psychology. SUBJECTS--One thousand eight hundred seventeen general practitioners selected at random by 20 family practitioner committees in England. INTERVENTIONS--None. END POINT--Determination of the combination of independent variables that were predictive of mental health and job satisfaction. MEASUREMENTS AND MAIN RESULTS--Women general practitioners both had job satisfaction and showed positive signs of mental wellbeing in contrast with other normative groups. Conversely, male doctors showed significantly higher anxiety scores than the norms, had less job satisfaction, and drank more alcohol than their women counterparts. Multivariate analysis disclosed four job stressors that were predictive of high levels of job dissatisfaction and lack of mental wellbeing; these were demands of the job and patients' expectations, interference with family life, constant interruptions at work and home, and practice administration. CONCLUSIONS--There may be substantial benefit in providing a counselling service for general practitioners and other health care workers who suffer psychological pressure from their work.




Who should measure quality of life, the doctor or the patient?
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The extent to which a doctor or health professional can make a valid assessment of a patient's quality of life, anxiety and depression was investigated in a series of cancer patients. Doctors and patients filled out the same forms, viz. the Karnofsky, Spitzer, Linear Analogue Self Assessment Scales and a series of simple scales designed for this study, at the same time. Correlations between the two sets of scores were poor, suggesting that the doctors could not accurately determine what the patients felt. A further study examining the reproducibility of these scales demonstrated considerable variability in results between different doctors. It is concluded that if a reliable and consistent method of measuring quality of life in cancer patients is required, it must come from the patients themselves and not from their doctors and nurses.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on January 03, 2014, 08:34:32 AM
You're too funny TT  ;D

I take it you don't actually bring such studies to the 504 meeting  :) ?  I would love to be a fly in the room if they started suggesting that you were being anxious.  <insert Rocky song>
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on January 03, 2014, 09:28:33 AM
A few more thoughts ... anxiety can be a real and understandable issue for many parents/patients dealing with illness/disease.  I think in many cases people would be empathetic and kind (ex - mom of a cancer patient), but too often for FA ...

if somebody thinks you are being "anxious", it often seems to come across as an attack on the credibility or character of the (let's say) mom or because they don't want to do things that are necessary to keep the child safe.  It is not necessarily being brought up with the intention of helping the mom or the child.  In fact, it can feel like an eighth grade gossip session about the crazy, overprotective allergy mom.

It gets tricky because FA parents/patients can go overboard with precautions, but I think that is where a trusted allergist can really help in explaining what is necessary.  DH was giving me a hard time at one point about some avoidance stuff, and our allergist could get through to him in a way that I could not.

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ETA this link (a very touching post)

"My Hard Truth"
http://multiplefoodallergyhelp.com/?p=699
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“Dealing with Jacob’s cancer was less stressful, and easier, than dealing with his food allergies.”

Yup. I said that.   Yes, It is a strong statement.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on January 03, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Ultimately, though-- that is about "credibility" via a person's credentials/bona fides.

This is where I roll out my professional credentials and turn into

Professor-Mom

(in a discipline that many educators and physicians alike found, well-- scary.)

This doesn't work awesomely well on DH, of course, or on my family, because familiarity breeds contempt, as it were.

But it sure works a treat on relative strangers, even those that nominally have power positions over me.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on January 03, 2014, 10:52:30 AM
Ultimately, though-- that is about "credibility" via a person's credentials/bona fides.

This is where I roll out my professional credentials and turn into

Professor-Mom

(in a discipline that many educators and physicians alike found, well-- scary.)

This doesn't work awesomely well on DH, of course, or on my family, because familiarity breeds contempt, as it were.

But it sure works a treat on relative strangers, even those that nominally have power positions over me.

I wish I had that one in my back pocket ... I'm pretty sure that I am at a big disadvantage here (which I think you understand CM).  I would say that I am more of a Susan Boyle of FA (by that - I don't mean a star, but somebody who it is initially easy to think doesn't know anything).  I don't suppose my magna cum laude credentials from many years ago would help :P

I've learned a lot about power positions lately ... I felt like saying to one individual "pick on somebody your own size".   Repeat as necessary - anger tends to be unhelpful.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on January 03, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
Don't start none, won't be none.

As long as it was never used as a lame attempt at power play I would never side track a meeting by talking about anxiety as a stand alone item. But I absolutely will disarm and neutralize it on the spot in order to get back to the business of removing barriers, equal access, individual educational support wrt to special ed.

Yes, a couple of those principalship anxiety studies are going in the back of my binder if shenanigans crop up. Only in my inner monologue does the lolcat meme grace the cover.

My view is there's no one way to do this. You pace with the people and obstacles (see signature below), and we're all capable of it with our preferred methods and strengths. And where we need help that's where we support one another. I trust in specific qualities in specific persons. Where do we go for links? See what I'm saying? I have both trust and faith that you can find resources with exquisite precision.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on January 03, 2014, 02:49:17 PM
My view is there's no one way to do this. You pace with the people and obstacles (see signature below), and we're all capable of it with our preferred methods and strengths. And where we need help that's where we support one another. I trust in specific qualities in specific persons.

 :yes:

Where do we go for links? See what I'm saying? I have both trust and faith that you can find resources with exquisite precision.

aw-shucks.   :heart:

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ok, so ...

CM = The Professor-Mom

Links = The FA Jedi

TT - ?

Other FASers ?

Together we = ?

 ;D
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on January 03, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
 :thumbsup: 

I think that TT must be our MMA Flyweight Champ.   :coolbeans:

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on January 03, 2014, 10:21:19 PM
<-- troll
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on February 10, 2014, 03:53:08 PM
well duh, we could have told you this....
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on February 11, 2014, 09:41:01 AM
"Skeptics add to food allergy burden for parents"
http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2014/02/11/with-one-child-food-allergy-restricting-another-allergy-moms-say-they-face-skepticism/Hi9h2AGwDyCzAB0NsCRX9O/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

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“Why couldn’t Sabrina have had this reaction in front of our non-allergy friends?” asked Layne, of Norwell. “We know they think we’re crazy for being so vigilant.”


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some parents say they face disbelief that their children’s allergies exist at all


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“It makes it harder because people think we’re all misdiagnosed, that we’re hypochondriacs,” Francoeur said.



I love the title, so true.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on February 11, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
This may be heretical but I don't blame skeptics directly because they've seen so many people with pseudoallergies... how can they be expected to know when exactly to believe when they've seen so many actual hypochondriacs? I freely admit I walked in the skeptics door to LTFA, I could have held the door open for Joel Stein behind me.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on February 11, 2014, 10:36:13 AM
Honestly-- WE thought that some of the things that we discovered we have to do... were completely wacko, over-the-top things.  And this bearing in mind that DH and I both have food allergies, and did well before we had DD.  This bearing in mind that both of us have gotten epinephrine and steroids-- or at least been familiar with anaphylaxis in an immediate family member to remember ana-kits.

So yeah-- I have some sympathy for people who ask "why not just teach her what she can't eat?"

What I lack sympathy for is their insistence on that attitude once I've patiently explained what "contact and aerosol sensitivity" means and how it works.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on February 11, 2014, 10:51:37 AM
FARE has done a mostly great job IMHO getting the word out. But in many ways I think we've been set up for the worse by "the experts" and orgs that have released damaging statements or ridiculous studies about how the most sensitive of sensitive kids don't exist, that we have false sense of security, don't let the allergies define you, etc.

All I'm saying is think about it. What if studies started looking at allergic disease and anaphylaxis specifically calling attention to the deficit of mediating medications instead of ineffective issues like how we feel? What if FARE started focusing on the most vulnerable segment of FA kids front and center? There's a narrative here of experts, studies and orgs that paint an unflattering picture to the public in the event that it is even acknowledged that we exist.

Essentially, we're constantly fighting an established stereotype.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 05, 2014, 08:13:18 AM
"Can Training Improve Allergists' Ability To Accurately Identify Anxiety In Children With Food Allergy?"

Melissa Rubes, Anna Podolsky, Nicole Caso, Rachel Annunziato, Amanda L. Cox, MD, Jennifer S. Kim, MD FAAAAI, Anna H. Nowak-Wegrzyn, MD FAAAAI, Julie Wang, MD FAAAAI, Scott H. Sicherer, MD FAAAAI, Eyal Shemesh

https://aaaai.confex.com/aaaai/2014/webprogram/Paper11627.html

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39 food-allergic children aged 8-17 years and their allergists separately completed the Screen for Child Anxiety Related Disorders (SCARED), a validated questionnaire. The 5 participating allergists attempted to estimate their patient’s responses.  We analyzed the differences between patients’ and allergists’ reports.

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the correlation between clinician and child responses remained insignificant

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 05, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
Do you think food allergy support groups help the anxiety?  Do they make it worse?  Is it a little more complicated?

"Understanding The Role Of Online Resources For Childhood Food Allergies"
David Goese, Ves Dimov, MD
https://aaaai.confex.com/aaaai/2014/webprogram/Paper12699.html

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Conclusions: Kids With Food Allergies Foundation online resources influence users' behavior, provide valued information and support, and may have a role in the spectrum of childhood food allergy care as a source of information and stress alleviation.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 20, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
"Part 1: Pertinent Food Allergy Education in a Pediatric Ambulatory Care Setting for the
Newly Diagnosed Patient"

http://jaa.sagepub.com/content/3/4/146.full.pdf

Page 157

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some degree of anxiety can be adaptive as it plays a role in patients being less likely to take risks. However, in cases where the degree of anxiety has become debilitating, imposes unnecessary restrictions, and/or leads to daily impairment of activities, then it has become detrimental.


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parental anxiety may decrease as other caregivers of their child demonstrate awareness, competence, and understanding in managing food allergy.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: lakeswimr on March 21, 2014, 06:53:34 AM
I think anxiety is often related to severity of past reactions, but not always.  Those who have seen their children have the most severe of reactions are naturally going to have anxiety and maybe some even have PTSD from the experience.  I think reading fatality stories can increase anxiety and I generally recommend avoiding doing so if possible. 

I agree that anxiety doesn't serve a good purpose once a system of safety precautions are in place but of course that's not how all human emotions work. 

Knowing that most ana self resolves is one thing that helps me a lot.  Odds are on our side, which is a good thing. 

I was recently at an event that was supposed to be free of certain allergens.  Not everyone got the word and people were walking around eating and touching things that DS was also going to touch.  He had a reaction at this same place in the past in a somewhat similar situation.  I told him what was happening, not to touch his face, I spoke up and people in charge announced that everyone should wash hands after eating and be careful so we don't have any allergic reactions.  (That helped but not everyone washed and people had already started touching everything.)  I did feel a bit anxious but more than that I just felt angry.  I was not angry at the people because they obviously had not gotten the word.  I was angry at food allergies.  I just felt so tired of dealing with them.  I knew that DS was likely going to be fine.  I also knew that there was a chance he could end up at the ER again as he did in the past from contact ingestion at that very same place.  It was supposed to be a fun day and instead I was on life guard duty.  I want to just be carefree and enjoy my life and not have to think about things like that.  I don't like that food allergies made me feel so irritable that day.  I don't want to have that negative energy in me.  It blocks me from enjoying other people fully and enjoying situations I'm in.

Maybe it is growth that I wasn't anxious so much as angry, though.  lol 

(And we are talking about how to prevent this from happening in the future.)
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on March 21, 2014, 08:51:04 AM
lakeswimr, I experienced something very similar this week-- it was CLEARLY a very, very dangerous situation, and I was obviously very concerned for my DD's safety-- she left when she began experiencing asthma and itching/running nose/eyes-- but mostly I, too, was just angry at food allergies in general.  ANGRY that something so inconsequential as another person's momentary thoughtlessness has such power over her and apparently always will. 

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: lakeswimr on March 22, 2014, 08:01:17 AM
Thanks for the reply, CM.  Sorry that happened and sorry she had a reaction and had to leave. 

I was just feeling that I wanted to be a regular person and not have to deal with all that stuff and I got angry about it.  I know there are so many worse things we could be dealing with.

I remember talking with my father when he first really understood FAs and we were in a restaurant at family event.  The waitress brought out a whole tray of sprinkled covered ice cream and all the kids and my dad said, "Oh!  Look at that!"  I had to point out that DS and also my nephew would not be able to eat that.  My dad thought it was horrible that the boys couldn't have it and I told him it was no big deal.  It was just a fact of life for us and I had back up treats for DS and my nephew.  Later my dad told me he did not agree that it was no big deal.  He said, "if you eat the wrong thing you could end up having a reaction and have to hope the epi pen works.  That IS a big deal!  That's HORRIBLE!"  Usually I do not agree with this.  Usually I just live my life and do the things that are routine now and focus on what DS can eat, etc but last week I guess I was thinking like him and feeling sorry for myself and for DS. 

The week of that event I wrote about with the nut and peanut butter cookies we had also had another activity a few days before that was supposed to be food-free but was not.  DS was given allergens to eat (he didn't eat them) and to handle and play a game with by a person I have reminded multiple times of his allergens.  As a result that place has decided to go food free for the activities since there were multiple mistakes this year.

I'm back to myself now.  I'm not upset.  It is what it is. 
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 22, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
 :grouphug:  CM & Lakeswimr
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 22, 2014, 08:29:51 PM
If it's ok with CM, I'm going to put this here ...


New to all of this--DS SFA reaction last night?

but most of them have medical backgrounds (nurses and emt's), so they aren't going to intentionally "test" by exposing.

One certainly HOPES not.

But I'm here to tell you that in fifteen years, man, have I ever been SHOCKED by people that I know well so failing the Captain Obvious test on that one.

Unless you live it, truly "getting it" is a limited and fairly binary thing.

My family and I were talking about this the other day-- it seems to be a binary yes/no condition that can fail on either of two counts:

a) gets it emotionally-- that this is your reality-- and WANTS to understand and care for you/yours-- no questions asked.  Would NEVER challenge you about your allergy or your stated needs, but often still wants to include you and share with you.

b) gets it intellectually/cognitively and recognizes risks adequately-- understands cross contamination, brand specificity, shared lines, etc. etc. etc. and also understands-- TRULY understands-- that anaphylaxis can kill, and how.

I've found that most people in my life (about 90% of them) fail on some combination of the two things.  Usually, the overconfident ones are good on point a, but clueless with b.  They're the ones you should NOT trust, no matter how earnest and loving they are, no matter how many times you've explained things to them.  Problematically, they are often extremely frustrated that you won't accept their cooking.  They can't get it well enough.  The other kind tend to be where the medically/scientifically trained people fall.  Oh, they GET it all right.  Academically.  But they think that this is someone ELSE's problem.  Not your problem.  YOU, they think is over-reacting and probably just needs to be jolted out of your doom and gloom.  They'd be willing to help there, because they know better than you do.  Really, they'd be doing you a FAVOR to show you that you really are overly worried about being part of that group when you aren't... by, you know, demonstrating that the worst that could happen is SO minor...  Being scientifically/medically trained where you aren't, see.

That group gives me the willies.  Because they can give every sign that they are 150% trustworthy, even when they aren't.  They should know better (and they do-- as noted, with "those poor unfortunate people affected by this awful thing"); they just don't believe that YOU are in that group.  They may think that YOU are an attention-seeker, maybe even a helicopter mom sliding toward Munchausen in your bids for attention. 

Yes, I know this isn't so.  I'm a member of the "my family has believed that I might have a psychiatric disorder because of my child's FA's" club.  But I can assure you that those people ARE out there.  They are extremely dangerous.  Go with your gut-- if you don't trust someone that your brain says you SHOULD trust, there's usually a GOOD reason.  It may be in microexpressions of disbelief, etc. as you've talked to them or something like that.  Most of them have some kind of 'tell' that they aren't buying your particular narrative.   At that point, being MORE emphatic only makes them dig their heels in, and you're much better off just not entrusting the food allergy to that person until they come to you, sheepish and apologetic (or give another indication that they've had their Come to Jesus moment without YOU in an ambulance).

KWIM?

My DH calls this a "civilian misunderstanding" of sorts-- they can't get it because they don't live it.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on March 23, 2014, 10:21:06 AM
 :yes:

Anyone that needs you to have a near-death experience in order to believe you isn't a "friend" to you. 
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 24, 2014, 08:44:43 AM
I think anxiety is often related to severity of past reactions, but not always.  Those who have seen their children have the most severe of reactions are naturally going to have anxiety and maybe some even have PTSD from the experience. 

DD's first rxn was years ago, and the details are fading somewhat from memory at this point, but it was one of the few times as a parent that I felt scared.  I remember that feeling ... it doesn't haunt me, it didn't scar me, but it made an impression that this was something serious.  Luckily that rxn resolved by itself and soon after she was diagnosed by an allergist.  We have not had a very severe rxn since.

The nuts & bolts of the allergy (avoidance, rxns, etc) have not been the hardest thing for me to deal with.  It's been the emotional stuff that has really cut deep.  Having a close family member that was not supportive for years, being told by some people that I was just being anxious, getting ridiculed, facing anger, being made to look crazy.  Don't get me wrong ... most people (friends, family, school employees, docs, etc.) have been great. 

I don't know.  We all have our different experiences.  I guess I'm mostly ok now ... I've moved passed that stuff, I'm not angry anymore.  I can't say that I have totally forgiven  :P,  but I harbor no ill will.

If allergists and mental health professionals teamed up and applied some of the more sophisticated research techniques TT referred to earlier in this thread, maybe that would benefit future FA families.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on March 24, 2014, 10:31:17 PM
I had a stray thought the other day that what medicine is focusing on is trying to tinker with our coping mechanisms by constantly measuring them and pronouncing them insufficient. Would the answer then be more support? In real terms? Or rather, it's not the condition alone that is so unmanageable but that support to cope is insufficient.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on March 25, 2014, 06:58:56 AM
I had a stray thought the other day that what medicine is focusing on is trying to tinker with our coping mechanisms by constantly measuring them and pronouncing them insufficient. Would the answer then be more support? In real terms? Or rather, it's not the condition alone that is so unmanageable but that support to cope is insufficient.


I don't know, but if the medical side wants to provide more support to us, I think they have to listen more closely to us and realize that things may be more complicated than they first appear and that we all have different experiences & concerns (although there do seem to be some common currents of concern/stress).

For instance, a person may be pretty comfortable with FA, but when they meet with a doc, maybe the parent/patient is having a bad day ... maybe they are stressed from other life issues like a move or a parent's sickness .... maybe there is a temporary issue like switching schools that is causing some temporary anxiety (not chronic) that would be easily rectified by making sure that the proper safety precautions are in place, maybe the patient/parent has a personality or condition like ADHD that could be misinterpreted as anxiety, etc.

When we go to allergists, we fill out questionnaires about FA, but usually not so much about worries/concerns/anxiety, yet some docs are quick to label and judge without ever even having a conversation about the topic first with the patient/parent.  Allergists' words carry a huge amount of weight so I think they have to be very careful with that responsibility. 

Some fun experiments could be designed where the same patient/parent goes to different docs presenting the situation and then the medical records are compared.  What do you want to bet that the way things are written differ greatly, especially regarding mental health issues like "anxiety" and how the patient/parent in general is perceived?   :)   Research thread idea  :) ?

Build on this ...


Who should measure quality of life, the doctor or the patient?
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The extent to which a doctor or health professional can make a valid assessment of a patient's quality of life, anxiety and depression was investigated in a series of cancer patients. Doctors and patients filled out the same forms, viz. the Karnofsky, Spitzer, Linear Analogue Self Assessment Scales and a series of simple scales designed for this study, at the same time. Correlations between the two sets of scores were poor, suggesting that the doctors could not accurately determine what the patients felt. A further study examining the reproducibility of these scales demonstrated considerable variability in results between different doctors. It is concluded that if a reliable and consistent method of measuring quality of life in cancer patients is required, it must come from the patients themselves and not from their doctors and nurses.



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ETA - I don't want this post/thread to come across as harsh.  It has helped me to work through some feelings.

Nobody is perfect (us patients, docs, etc.) ... I've made mistakes, I could have handled certain situations in a better way.  The main purpose of this thread is not to judge others ...

It's to more deeply understand FA anxiety, it is to share patient perspective, it is for us to support each other, and yes, a little venting is to be expected.




Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on April 17, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
Good article on food allergies and marriage


Have your child's food allergies impacted your relationship with your spouse?


Communication and/or negotiation skills


anxiety after a reaction-please tell me it gets better soon


New Study - Young Kids with FA's May Learn Helplessness


Mothers of food-allergic kids want more than menus from dietitians


Obsessing About Our Children's Health - and Keeping Ourselves Healthy

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"Your Child and Food Allergy Fear and Anxiety"
http://allergicliving.com/2011/11/30/your-child-and-food-allergy-fears/

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The experts say well-meaning parents often say too much, too soon to their children about the risks of food allergies. The result: more and more kids with allergies – and anxiety. This special report, first published in Allergic Living magazine in 2008, explores the line between caution and fear.



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Tweeted by @DrDuaneAllergy

"A Debate Between Allen Frances and Robert Whitaker"
http://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/debate-allen-frances-robert-whitaker/

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Editor’s Note: After Allen Frances and Robert Whitaker spoke recently at the Society for Ethical Psychology and Psychiatry conference in Los Angeles, where they had a brief debate, Frances wrote to Whitaker suggesting that they should continue this debate in print. They do so here.






Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on May 16, 2014, 10:03:46 AM
Tweeted by @AllergyKidsDoc

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"Anxiety and Food Allergies"

Author: Irene Mikhail, MD

http://700childrens.nationwidechildrens.org/anxiety-food-allergies/
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on May 16, 2014, 10:45:48 AM
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6. Manage your own anxiety. Children are very perceptive and if they sense you are scared, that fear will be transferred to them. Part of this is allowing them to be around their allergen from a young age so they can learn how to function, even with a peanut in the room.

Uh-huh. Except, it's never really "a peanut" it's the accumulated residue of daily PB in a classroom and dozens of other kids not washing their hands. I'll get right on that pesky low threshold my child has with my magic wand.  :bonking:

Look, my kid watches PEANUTS. Has a box of bandages that reads PEANUTS. He can read and understand the difference between Charlie Brown and the gang from the legume without freaking out. But the residue issue for peanut butter is real, and when you have a known history of anaphylaxis from residue on other kids who have eaten PB it's a game-changer that you have to live with accordingly.

Can we stop pretending that anaphylaxis and allergic disease is not highly contingent on individual thresholds and allergens, whether or not they are super durable and can be at least partially denatured, unless or until there is an FDA-approved mediating medication for the prevention of anaphylaxis that the stimulus for appropriate concern and vigilance is omnipresent? When is the shine on bs about mentally conquering the allergy going to stop?

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"If you have a genuine problem that you can't solve, that's not actually an anxiety disorder," says Margaret Wehrenberg, Psy.D., author of three books on anxiety management.

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Others, Baer claims, have looked at the survey's results and responded that, well, of course these women are anxious. "That's the point," she said, "That psychiatry has gone so far... that they're confusing what's happening in every day life with mental disorder."

Baer works with her colleague Jerome Wakefield's definition of a mental disorder, which says that for something to qualify as pathological it must both be harmful to the person and be due to the failure of some internal mechanism in the mind -- in other words, a dysfunction.

"The 'dysfunction' requirement," he wrote in his seminal critique of the DSM-III, "is necessary to distinguish disorders from many other types of negative conditions that are part of normal functioning, such as ignorance, grief, and normal reactions to stressful environments."

"We have to be careful if we suggest to people, 'Oh you're disordered because you're feeling anxious,'" said Baer.

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The list of practical and existential worries that keep mothers up at night runs long. They worry about their children getting hurt or killed in an accident. They worry that their children will not be happy and, on a lesser scale, that they will not be socially and academically successful. They worry, I'm sure, that they stay healthy, that they do the right thing as tricky situations arise, and their children be, overall, good people. They are often more worried about many of these things than their own children are.

For poor mothers, the usual worries are necessarily compounded by life's more immediate realities. Following the families of almost 5,000 children in the earliest years of their lives, the 2011 Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study identified poverty not by household income, but as a manifestation of telling life events. Those included telephone service being disconnected, not being able to pay full rent or mortgage, not being able to pay utility bills, accepting free food, or having to move in with other people due to financial reasons.

When poverty is looked at as a series of problems that must continuously be solved, the worry, one would presume, is continuous. It may very well be extreme, and disruptive. It might even go so far, the data suggests, as to be pathological.

Anxiety seen in poor mothers is caused by poverty itself, not mental illness.
"If you have a genuine problem that you can't solve, that's not actually an anxiety disorder," says Margaret Wehrenberg, Psy.D., author of three books on anxiety management.

And yet, when Fragile Families administered a standard diagnostic interview for Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD), it found that the psychological condition was extremely common among the poorest mothers represented in its sample. This piqued the interest of Judith Baer, Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Social Work at Rutgers University. How was it, she asked, that the women having the most financial difficulty were the most likely to be diagnosed with GAD? She wondered: do these women truly have the disorder?

Baer took Fragile Families' data and subjected it to a secondary statistical analysis that looked specifically at the relationship between poverty and diagnosis. Her results indicated that mothers who received free food had a 2.5 times greater chance of being diagnosed as having the mental disorder. Odds were 2.44 times higher for mothers who had problems paying their utilities, and 1.9 who those who had, out of necessity, moved in with others.

She and her team of researchers concluded that the anxiety seen in poor mothers is caused by poverty itself, not mental illness.

GAD is defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (the soon-to-be updated DSM-IV-TR, last revised in 2000) as "excessive anxiety and worry (apprehensive expectation), occurring more days than not for at least 6 months, about a number of events or activities (such as work or school performance)." Diagnosis requires the presence of three or more symptoms from a list comprised of: restlessness, being easily fatigued, difficulty concentrating, irritability, muscle tension, and sleep disturbance.

As one public health outlet offering counsel to sufferers of GAD says it, "You may feel like your worries come from the outside -- from other people, events that stress you out, or difficult situations you're facing. But, in fact, worrying is self-generated. The trigger comes from the outside, but an internal running dialogue maintains the anxiety itself."

In a "radical conceptual shift" from the former DSM-III criteria, claims Baer's article, this definition failed to include "an evaluation of the social contextual environment in which symptoms occurred." This means that when the mothers surveyed by Fragile Families were diagnosed in accordance with the DSM standards, their social and economic backgrounds were not taken into account.

Others, Baer claims, have looked at the survey's results and responded that, well, of course these women are anxious. "That's the point," she said, "That psychiatry has gone so far... that they're confusing what's happening in every day life with mental disorder."

Baer works with her colleague Jerome Wakefield's definition of a mental disorder, which says that for something to qualify as pathological it must both be harmful to the person and be due to the failure of some internal mechanism in the mind -- in other words, a dysfunction.

"The 'dysfunction' requirement," he wrote in his seminal critique of the DSM-III, "is necessary to distinguish disorders from many other types of negative conditions that are part of normal functioning, such as ignorance, grief, and normal reactions to stressful environments."

"We have to be careful if we suggest to people, 'Oh you're disordered because you're feeling anxious,'" said Baer.

She gives the example of her own reaction to driving on the New Jersey Turnpike. The road is huge, busy, and crowded with 18-wheelers. She often becomes anxious. And because she is anxious, she drives more carefully than she otherwise might. Anxiety can go so far as to cause paralysis, and were it to prevent one from being able to do what it takes to get from point A to point B, that would make it a disorder.

But, insists Baer, "It's not as if these things are nefarious mechanisms that are in us." A normal amount of anxiety serves innate purposes in terms of our survival.

"Psychiatry has gone so far that they're confusing what's happening in every day life with mental disorder."
The claim that poor mothers are more likely to suffer from GAD, then, is in Baer's opinion the diagnostic equivalent of a therapist talking to someone behind the wheel and, ignoring the high speeds and the trucks blaring past. Then concluding that there's something wrong with them because they seem distressed. The danger of pathologization - calling something a disease when it may not be - is, in this case, that we end up mistakenly ignoring treatable context. With psychiatrists increasingly shifting away from talk therapy, that may mean an increase in prescriptions for poor women when what they really need is social support.

"A therapist would say that a real problem needs real help," says Wehrenberg. She suggests that a diagnosis can be a way of directing attention toward a patient that can lead to help through counseling and perhaps broader social services. But going about things in this way keeps the conversation in medicalized terms instead of focusing it on the social and economic roots of anxiety.

Change economic to environmentally triggered contact-to-ingestion for a child in a class full of his or her allergens. Or, aerosol depending on individual and form factor of allergen. Add in you never know when or where the allergen is going to crop up and must look for it in unexpected sources.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: twinturbo on May 16, 2014, 11:32:32 AM
Scholarly article talked about in previous post. Unfortunately, not open access.

Is it Generalized Anxiety Disorder or Poverty? An Examination of Poor Mothers and Their Children

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Abstract
This paper addresses generalized anxiety disorder in poor families and argues that DSM definitions have led to an expansion in the domains of what is considered disorder. Social factors, which are importantly involved in many samples used to study GAD, have been overlooked. This was a secondary analysis of data from the Fragile Families and Child Wellbeing Study (N = 4,898). The findings confirmed that the poorest mothers had greater odds of being classified as having generalized anxiety disorder. We also conducted a structural equation model. Our findings suggest that anxiety in poor mothers is not psychiatric, but a reaction to severe environmental deficits. Thus assessment and interventions should be targeted at the environmental level and diagnostic labels should be used judiciously.


SEM used. Wonders beyond wonders.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on May 18, 2014, 10:16:49 AM
Tweeted by @Aller_MD

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"Disease-specific health-related quality of life instruments for IgE-mediated food allergy"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/all.12427/asset/all12427.pdf?v=1&t=hvch8hxp&s=4f222d406a482bf709bdc5e826c8370715665222

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This is the first review, to our knowledge, that has systematically assessed the literature on disease-specific QOL tools for food allergy.


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Healthcare workers should be aware of the impact of food allergy on an individual’s life and their families.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on May 20, 2014, 09:44:25 AM
Related topic:

If you were an allergy researcher ...


Tweeted by @Aller_MD

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"A brave new world – ‘research with’ not ‘research on’ patients"
[url]http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2014/05/20/international-clinical-trials-day-2014/?utm_content=buffer0e6f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/url]

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Since the recognition and acceptance of patient and public involvement, there has been a rapid accumulation of evidence regarding its worth and it has been implemented in many health-care systems across the globe.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on July 11, 2014, 09:53:16 AM
Docs helping patients to surf the internet


Tweeted by @HeartSisters

"When you fear being labelled a “difficult” patient"
[url]http://myheartsisters.org/2012/12/09/labelled-a-difficult-patient/[/url]

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Worse, doctors may even slap the term “anxious female” on the patient’s chart, virtually guaranteeing subsequent misdiagnoses and dismissals during future visits.


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Tweeted by @HeartSisters

When your doctor mislabels you as an “anxious female”
[url]http://myheartsisters.org/2012/06/04/anxious-female/[/url]

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Researchers also found that the presence of stress shifted the interpretation of women’s chest pain, shortness of breath and irregular heart rate so that these were thought to have a psychological origin.

By contrast, men’s identical symptoms were perceived as cardiac whether or not emotional stressors were present.






Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 10, 2014, 02:34:30 PM
"Family Food Feud: Relatives and Allergies"

http://allergicliving.com/2010/12/07/family-food-feud/1/

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I now had ‘proof’ of my son’s allergy

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dozens of stories about grandparents, parents, uncles, aunts, sisters, brothers and in-laws denying and ignoring their allergies, disputing them, and worse, triggering reactions that could be life-threatening.

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often presumed the allergic person or parent was overreacting, neurotic or a control freak when describing the seriousness of this condition


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Wanting proof, wanting a close family member to support me instead of giving me a hard time for listening to the allergist, wanting to make sure the family member was not going to test the allergy himself as he said he might ....

this is why I am so glad that we finally got an IOFC ....

it feels like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders ... I know where we stand in terms of this allergy ...

it was not easy getting to this point, but it was worth it ... I no longer feel beat up on ...
and with everybody on a close enough page now, I feel dd is safer.




Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 22, 2014, 04:25:24 PM
"Looking good for your doctor’s appointment: oui ou non?"

http://myheartsisters.org/2012/10/30/looking-good-cardiology/

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At the time, I was in the throes of a dark and debilitating depression following my heart attack

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In other words, let’s not make a fuss. It’s not that bad. Don’t whine. Don’t complain. Don’t draw attention to yourself. Smile sweetly and try to act normal.

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Maybe the doctor’s notes in our charts will start reflecting the truth instead of the fiction we help to spread by pretending to be “Fine, just fine”.



It's amazing how many of her heart posts seem to have relevance for those with FA.

How honest are we about how we are feeling?  How open should we be with others? 

That "don't make a fuss" attitude is how a lot of teenagers get into trouble with FA.

I trust our allergist and would be fine sharing any concerns if I had them. 

However, there have been other medical professionals with whom I felt it would be wiser to be more guarded with, to present a Has-It-Together-Mom-Who-Should-Be-Taken-Seriously image.  I hate to say that, really I do.  It's just that sometimes it's so important to have the focus be on physical symptoms ... sometimes it seems better not to feed the "anxious FA mom/patient" stereotype. 

For long-term relationships though, if you don't trust your physician enough to discuss mental health concerns, it might be worth trying to find a new physician where you feel that it is "safe" to be completely open & honest.




Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on August 22, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
I love that set of observations, Links.  That is SO true.   :yes:


The sense of discouragement that I see in my DD comes from her sure and certain knowledge that she is playing with her life if she doesn't "make a fuss" among her friends... and the conflicting voice telling her that NOBODY is worth that much trouble, and that she isn't worth it to others...

Oh, it is SO sad.  I see, now, how teenaged girls, in particular, can get themselves into anaphylactic reactions that kill.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 29, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
Tweeted by @sarahjchapman

"Mother dismissed by GP as 'anxious first-time parent' discovers her son has a milk allergy when he starts CHOKING"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2737811/Mother-dismissed-GP-anxious-time-parent-discovers-son-milk-allergy-starts-CHOKING.html

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A mother who took her baby to doctors claiming he had a milk allergy was dismissed as an anxious first-time parent


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But when little Nathan Hudson began to choke and was rushed to hospital by ambulance it was only then that a paediatrician finally diagnosed an allergy, as well as reflux.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on August 29, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
Honestly, that sounds a bit... er... familiar.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 30, 2014, 08:31:30 AM
"VOLUNTARY GUIDELINES FOR MANAGING FOOD ALLERGIES IN SCHOOLS AND EARLY CARE AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS
WHAT THE PEDIATRICIAN NEEDS TO KNOW"

http://tinyurl.com/qeorwjs

Page 11 - Starting School with a Food Allergy

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Her mother is terrified.


Sigh.  For sure, this is sometimes true ... but how about other examples of a mother who understands allergies & risk, is a partner with the doc, & is a strong advocate for her child?  Do docs understand how this "anxious mom" thing has perhaps gone too far?

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504 index - 504 Plan Basics



How much weight does letter from allergist hold in 504 planning?
Think of a good 504 plan as being a STOOL.  There are basically three legs (sometimes four) to a solid 504 plan.  By 'legs' here I mean input streams of expertise.

a) MEDICAL-- this is where your physician comes into things(and to a lesser extent, a school nurse... and yes, I DO mean 'lesser' extent, because this is about medical diagnosis and practicing within one's professional scope of expertise.  Nurses are not allergists.)  The medical stream is the one offering advice on how much exposure is "okay" or not, what kind of responose is appropriate under which conditions (ie-- for a non-specific symptom of asthma, does this child get epinephrine?  Or an inhaler?) 

b) DAILY REAL-WORLD MANAGEMENT AND RISK ASSESSMENT/RESEARCH-- this is us.  Allergists are medical experts, but they are NOT the experts at navigating the world with a particular child and keeping him/her out of anaphylaxis.  WE ARE.

c) SCHOOL OPERATIONS-- this is school staff.  They know layout, they know logistics of first-response, they know their staffers, they know the culture of the school community. 

d) (possible) Special Education needs-- can be GT/SpEd needs, but this will have to dance with the other three.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 30, 2014, 01:24:27 PM
504 index - School Nurse


NASN new position statement


NASN has consistently ticked me off over the past ten years, and this document is a shining (glaring?) example of why.  In the one instance, they make statements of OPINION (as in the first quote above) with zero evidence to support those statements, and then later on make stinkers like this gem:

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Entering school or changes in the school environment are stressful events, and many parents view these events as opportunities that increase their child’s chance of exposure to allergens (Roy & Roberts, 2011).


Uhhhh... NO.  We don't "view" them that way-- they are that way.  Evidence backs that up.  Disruptions in routine and a lack of clear expectations and communication = disaster.  Period.  Several studies have said so.


Think they'd listen to us?

[url]http://www.nasn.org/AboutNASN/ContactUs[/url]


No.  I don't.

The reason is that there is language in this statement that is (deliberately, I should think) indicative that parents are, by definition, rather 'emotionally invested' to a degree that prevents any FA parent from objectively evaluating risk.

In other words, that parents are not "experts" in management (by definition) because they are parents.  The reason that planning needs to include them is to make them FEEL more comfortable, and to make sure that the school gains their cooperation. 


 :-/

Until NASN begins to understand that its members would be well-advised to LEARN about management quirks from the parents, because those parents are quite often experts in that particular child's medical management by the time schools see those children...


well, I don't think that anything that a group of parents says to them is going to get through this kind of hubris, honestly.  I hate to sound bitter, but there it is.




The last 2 posts ... I added bold/blue to highlight some of CM's thoughts.

CM ... if you mind, just let me know.



As parents, are we seen as true partners in the 504 process?





Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 30, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
If you were an allergy researcher ...


Re: Docs helping patients to surf the internet


Tweeted by @kevinmd

"Women’s right to vote and the e-patient movement"
[url]http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/06/womens-right-vote-e-patient-movement.html[/url]

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All of this may sound familiar to patients whose opinions are considered not worth hearing because, after all, they’re only patients, so what could they know?



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CM - if you don't want this quoted here, just delete this part of the post.


"Thresholds for Allergens being Established: For better food allergy labeling guidance"

[url]http://allergy.hyperboards.com/action/view_topic/topic_id/17461[/url]

Posted by CMdeux  12/10/10

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He assumed that I was a 'typical' SAHM with a food allergic child... and was (in his mind, anyway) appropriately dismissive of anything I had to say.

I never really expected him to say, "Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry to have assumed you were an idiot-- you're right!" LOL.

But this brings me to a good point, which is that with many individuals engaged in research in the field, they DO NOT think that we are anything more than poorly-educated parents, probably hysterical and in need of patronizing platitudes so that we'll calm down and go away. Because, you know, that way the "scientists" can get back to the real job of doing "science-y" stuff. The subtext being "don't worry your pretty little heads about it, because you wouldn't understand anyway..."     




Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on August 30, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
ok ... so I feel a bit strongly about a few topics.   :hiding:


I'll put this here because I don't think these things have to be a battle ... let's do a better job communicating.



Communication and/or negotiation skills




Tweeted by @HeartSisters

"The Myth of Winning"

[url]http://www.6seconds.org/2014/08/19/the-myth-winning/[/url]


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In our own heads and hearts, we make ourselves righteous, and we make them bad.

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​Once we move into conflict, ​​everyone involved is tarnished.  Everyone involved become become bloodied and hurt​ – either literally, or at least emotionally.  Then our oppositional positions become increasingly entrenched.

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​The solution is paradoxical, and it might feel like a kind of surrender — but it’s not.  The solution is to stand next to your opponent, and, ultimately, to make that person your ally instead. 





Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 05, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
@HeartSisters   Again ... she seems like a kindred soul ... I guess it would be wrong of me to wish food allergy on her so she might come & join us here.   :P

"Unmet Needs across the Lifespan: the Case against Routine Screening"
http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/jamesccoyne/why-screeing-cancer-patients-for-distress-will-increase-disparities-in-psychosocial-services

Slide 18

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the concept of stigma is being invoked to

Undermine patient empowerment

Resolve differences of opinion between patients and professionals as to need for mental health services in favor of the professionals


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"Why Psychosocial Care is Difficult to Integrate into Routine Cancer Care: Stigma is the Elephant in the Room"

http://www.jnccn.org/content/8/4/362.extract

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The panel members felt that the major barrier, for both physicians and patients, was the negative meaning and stigma attached to words implying the psychological domain, such as psychiatric, psychological, and psychosocial. The panel considered descriptive words that could encompass the range of fears, worries, and concerns of patients with cancer, and proposed the word distress because it could vary in severity from a normal response to a more significant level, consistent with a psychiatric disorder requiring intervention.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 05, 2014, 09:43:13 AM
Tweeted by @HeartSisters


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Thanks for not wishing food allergy on me so I might come & join you there on your forum, Karen! ;-)


 ;D
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on September 05, 2014, 11:22:21 AM
 :thumbsup:   That's funny!
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 14, 2014, 09:32:48 PM
Tweeted by @Ckconners

Dr. Allen Frances  (wrote a book called "Saving Normal")

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AMvrcBvYWk

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If you have a medical illness and you're worried about it, that becomes a mental disorder.

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I think that from the point of view of clinicians, it's important to be cautious in your diagnoses, don't jump to conclusions, don't make fancy diagnoses after a brief initial contact with patients.






Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 15, 2014, 08:24:35 AM
"Can't You Take a (Food Allergy) Joke?"
http://foodallergybitch.blogspot.com/2013/09/cant-you-take-food-allergy-joke.html

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fear that one teacher/waitress/boss who buys into food allergies being fake and therefore is just a little (or a lot) less careful than he or she needs to be to keep my son safe.

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When half the population doesn't believe in food allergies (to the point that people are taking the time to search for phrases like "I HATE FOOD ALLERGY KIDS"), how well-placed is that trust?



I do think that when we don't trust, others often perceive us as anxious. 


Also ... when we plan more than others (like for schools) or are strict with avoidance (ex - cross-contact) ... when we try to explain non-top8 labeling rules ... when we advocate in a way that others do not ... when we ask detailed questions ... then there is a risk of being perceived as anxious, which ironically, can diminish our credibility and make it harder for us to achieve our goal such as safety.  It is not usually seen as being thorough and responsible ... it is seen as over-the-top.



ETA related thread link
Food Allergen Labeling: Using "common sense" when assessing safety



Title: Let's Talk about Anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on September 15, 2014, 10:21:23 AM
Exactly-- and (as the FAB and I have discussed)-- your only other option, if you know from hard-won experience that you MUST live with a certain level of managed avoidance, is that you become entirely self-sufficient and never place yourself in a position that REQUIRES that you place such trust in others.

This, too, has a price.  It means that your lifestyle is very fundamentally different from "normative" in spite of how easy-going, laid-back, or whatever you might appear to others.  You will seem aloof (because you avoid situations where you are required to trust others so as to not provoke open conflict over this), you will not share in some parts of culturally relevant/normative activities and rituals, and underneath the veneer, your lifestyle is NOT normal.

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: martin0101001 on September 15, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
Before i got my allergies, it all started with a anxiety and panic disorder.
Very hard to manage especially because its a disorder and i'm not scared of real things, just irrational crazy stuff like my heart blowing up or just quit on me, epilepsy poison and more crazy stuff.
by the time i accepted that these things werent real, my food allergies started kicking in.
So everybody just told me that is was all in my head, my throat was not swelling, i was not really dizzy, my blood pressure does not drop, your not nauseous etc etc...
it has been a killing time but by the time i forced my doctor into testing me for allergies i started calming down again.
but the anxiety has scarred me.
i'm absolutely terrified of trying new things. it has even gone so far that i prefer not to eat at all, just one meal a day because i have to..
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 15, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
Reminds me of the quote

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Just because you’re paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you

let's build off of that ...

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Just because you're anxious doesn't mean your food allergy isn't real or dangerous.

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Martin,

I hope that you are getting allergy help from an allergist & help with the anxiety from a mental health professional.   :grouphug:


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
"A cruel paradox when it comes to mental disorders"
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/08/cruel-paradox-comes-mental-disorders.html?utm_content=bufferb2bbc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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But there is a cruel paradox when it comes to mental disorders. While we chase the receding holy grail of future basic science breakthrough, we are shamefully neglecting the needs of patients who are suffering right now.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
"When the stigma of a disease makes its diagnosis even worse"
http://ethicalnag.org/2012/06/14/stigma-of-a-disease-makes-diagnosis-worse/

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The question of which diagnoses are associated with social stigma is interesting to me


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Mayo Clinic experts explain:

“Based on stereotypes, stigma is a negative judgment based on a personal trait— in this case, having a mental health condition.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
"Emergency Departments Implement New Triage Form to Screen Patients for Actual Disease"
http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/07/triage/

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The decision tool is called AYAS (Are You Actually Sick)

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Does the patient have >2 medical allergies?



http://www.gomerblog.com/disclaimer/
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Gomerblog.com is strictly a satirical and fake news blog site.



but satire can be a powerful way to illustrate attitudes.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 11:01:39 PM
"How do you know when a hypochondriac is really sick?"
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/09/know-hypochondriac-really-sick.html

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So how do you know when a hypochondriac is really sick?

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the only way you’re going to know that is to keep open the lines of communication with them


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"Don’t let our desire to be respected get in the way of our oaths"
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/12/dont-let-desire-respected-get-way-oaths.html

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Our hard-wired tendency to prejudge is unavoidable, so we need to recognize it in order for it not to control us.

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We cannot be too proud or stubborn to admit when our first thought is wrong. We have to keep listening.




Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
"Stress test vs flipping a coin: which is more accurate?"
http://myheartsisters.org/2014/03/01/stress-test-vs-flipping-a-coin/

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One of the most serious concerns about tests that are commonly used despite  important diagnostic accuracy issues is that an initial “normal” test may lead to misdiagnosis. No further tests will be ordered. Doctors like Duke University’s Dr. Pamela Douglas call this phenomenon “verification bias”.
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on September 25, 2014, 11:09:56 PM
Tweeted by @99u

"The Upside of Pessimism"
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/dont-think-positively/379993/

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people imagine worst-case scenarios in order to manage their anxiety. But what defensive pessimists do next is key: They come up with strategies to avoid having all of those bad things happen, thus ending up better-prepared and less anxious in the long-run.



Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on September 26, 2014, 12:31:11 AM
Yup!   :yes:   That would be people like my DH and myself. 

Most of my friends and family have learned that I can come up with a temporary solution to nearly anything-- and I don't even carry a large purse with me.  I'm just that  person.  Like MacGyver.   ;D
Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on October 06, 2014, 07:44:57 PM
Tweeted by @6s_EQ

"Tips for Emotional Mastery (Eventually!)"
http://www.6seconds.org/2014/04/26/tips-for-emotional-mastery/

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2. Every emotion has a purpose.  They give us messages about opportunities and threats.  The “Emotoscope” offers many examples of the purpose of feelings.


 :-/ yeah, emotions can be tough ... I sometimes catch myself yelling at dd w/ADHD ... I know this is not constructive or helpful ...  but the frustration on occasion gets the better of me.

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Tweeted by @HeartSisters

"When being a woman is an impediment to medical care: Dysautonomia"
http://bobisdysautonomia.blogspot.com/2014/11/when-being-woman-is-impediment-to.html?spref=tw

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The problem is two fold. Misattributing physiological symptoms to mental health diagnoses, further stigmatises those with psychological issues.

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Secondly, this misattribution means that manageable, and potentially treatable, diagnoses may be overlooked and diagnosis delayed.


&

"Study Suggests Compassion Is Associated With A Better Doctor"
http://americanlivewire.com/2015-02-28-study-suggests-compassion-associated-better-doctor/

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Does physician compassion influence patients’ anxiety levels?


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Tweeted by @ElaineSchattner

"Medicating Women’s Feelings"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/01/opinion/sunday/medicating-womens-feelings.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2

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WOMEN are moody. By evolutionary design, we are hard-wired to be sensitive to our environments, empathic to our children’s needs and intuitive of our partners’ intentions.

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We have been taught to apologize for our tears, to suppress our anger and to fear being called hysterical.

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People who don’t really need these drugs are trying to medicate a normal reaction to an unnatural set of stressors





Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on October 06, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
The Day I Stopped Judging Parents of Children With Food Allergies


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"Paralyzed By Doubt? Here's A Guide For The Worrier In Us All"
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/05/27/409792775/paralyzed-by-doubt-heres-a-guide-for-the-worrier-in-us-all?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=health&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

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Correll often tackles mental illness in her comics, including a detailed explanation of panic attacks and a sardonic take on those ubiquitous "Keep Calm" posters: "I can't keep calm and carry on because I have an anxiety disorder."

A Worrier's Guide makes light of serious mental health issues as well as the everyday angst that affects us all.


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Feisty advice to patients: “Get down off your cross!”
http://myheartsisters.org/2014/10/05/debra-jarvis-get-down-off-your-cross/

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anything that brings us undue pain including abandonment, betrayal, rejection, being misunderstood, loss, and even a life-threatening illness.

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She’s quick to point out, by the way, that she is NOT talking about occasional venting or processing of difficult emotions, which each of us absolutely must do once in a while for the sake of our mental health.

Instead, she’s talking about not “feeding your emotions so you stay stuck”.




@HeartSisters   :heart:





Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on October 08, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
Tweeted by @Annakwood

"Don't Worry Your Pretty Little Head"
http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/ok-this-really-has-to-stop.html?spref=fb

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OK, this really has to stop.

I've written countless articles about the failure of doctors to listen to their patients. Whether that failure comes from judgement (they're "just" an addict, they're "just" depressed, they're "just" malingering) or from arrogance (I know best, what would they know, I have the medical degree) I honestly believe it is the single most dangerous factor in our healthcare system.


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Tweeted by @HealthcareWen

"MD slang not just disrespectful, it can kill"
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2014/10/11/md-slang-not-just-disrespectful-it-can-kill

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Mental health patients are more likely to be misdiagnosed, less likely to be screened for cancer and diabetes, more likely to die and to die at a younger age because their problems are undetected or neglected.

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conversations have to take place even if they are uncomfortable.

"I believe from honest talk comes good things," said Goldman.


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Tweeted by @Farzad_MD

"Doctors Tell All—and It’s Bad
A crop of books by disillusioned physicians reveals a corrosive doctor-patient relationship at the heart of our health-care crisis."
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/doctors-tell-all-and-its-bad/380785/

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why it has become so difficult for so many doctors and patients to communicate with each other

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Even the most frustrated patient will come away with respect for how difficult doctors’ work is.






Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on October 25, 2014, 10:55:15 AM
When she was five, her allergist espoused the opinion that sending her to school would be "work, but feasible."  He simply didn't believe in aerosol-provocation of systemic reactions.  I knew that he was wrong in DD's case, but no amount of MY opinion was going to budge him.  So I bided my time, and let him SEE that I wasn't crazy or over-reactive.  I graciously told him that we'd have to agree to disagree, because I knew what I'd seen.  We did reach common ground in that he conceded that any environment which was THAT contaminated was probably an unacceptably high risk for eventual inadvertent ingestion anyway, and so it was a good sign to "vacate the location" even if he didn't think that inhalation was a real "risk."  In and of itself, I mean.    I must say that my DH's skepticism a year before that hadn't done much to help my relationship with the allergist at that point in time, either.  Another story, that one.   :-[

After four years of immunotherapy injections, he and his office staff had seen enough weird and impossible things from her that they believed me.    Completely.  Of course, I think that it also has helped that he now has had the personal, delightful experience of turning over a kid with about three times DD's threshold to a school setting, too... so he gets it now in a way that he seriously just couldn't wrap his head around previously.


CM,

Thought of you when I saw this.

Tweeted by @IgECPD
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.@DrDougMackMD now leading discussion surrounding false belief of 'airborne' peanut allergen from peanut butter causing reactions #CSACI


Curious what your thoughts are.


Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: CMdeux on October 25, 2014, 12:02:30 PM
Well, seeing is believing.  I honestly think that even gurus don't see these patients all that often.  DD is, by our allergist's admission, one of the two lowest-threshold kids he's ever seen-- and he trained at Sinai.

So she's not only in the 1%, but probably more like the 0,1% or maybe even 0,01%.

The reason why those kids seem like they might be more common if you hang around HERE is probably two-fold:

1.  Most people with higher thresholds don't stick around here even if they initially come looking-- because once they figure out HOW to live life with a FA, they adjust and don't struggle all that much.  KWIM?

2.  It's the internet-- the people who need this place most (lowest threshold, severe reactions, other extenuating circumstances)-- tend to congregate here.

  If one were to hang out at KWA, it'd be just as easy to imagine that a eosinophilic disorders are WAY more common than they actually are.

People who are actually capable of reacting to the amounts of material which are present in the ambient air in spaces with normal methods of aerosolization (that is, mechanical means other than industrial mixing of fine powders, or thermal aerosolization, both of which put a LOT of protein into the air) are VERY RARE.

But it's not psychosomatic.  The mental gymnastics that I have to do in order to make that 'fit' what we've seen firsthand with our DD is an order of magnitude greater than accepting that she reacts to ultratrace quantities that have been aerosolized.

Occam's Razor.

I do not subscribe to the hypothesis that she can react to the "smell" of peanut butter.  Not the same thing at all.  Scent molecules tend to be volatile organic compounds-- often aromatic ring structures.  PROTEINS, on the other hand, are not like that chemically at all. 

Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on June 22, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
the British psychological society 'living with severe food  allergy'

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In this interview BPS Associate Fellow Dr. Khadija Rouf consultant clinical psychologist from North and West Oxfordshire Adult Mental Health Team, Nuffield Health Centre discusses her research into the psychological challenges for children and parents living with a severe food allergy.


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Tweeted by @ElaineSchattner

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ouch. Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee Uses #Schizophrenia As A Slur, Gets It Wrong, by @ejwillingham - onforb.es/1HCCOk1 @Forbes


Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee Uses Schizophrenia As A Slur, Gets It Wrong
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2015/07/03/presidential-candidate-mike-huckabee-uses-schizophrenia-as-a-slur-gets-it-wrong/

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Mischaracterizing schizophrenia and attempting to use it as a slight, as Huckabee did in his remarks, does nothing to diminish either the misunderstanding or the stigma


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Tweeted by @HeartSisters

Support patients emotionally to foster full recovery aka “Hope: the Original”
https://tdahlborg.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/support-patients-emotionally-to-foster-full-recovery/

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He didn’t ask if I was scared. He didn’t ask if I was anxious or depressed about this news or the prospect of brain surgery to fix it. He gave me the facts.


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Managing the Emotional Impact of Living with a Food Allergy
Speaker: Jeanne Herzog, PhD
6/17/15 FARE Webinar

http://www.foodallergy.org/tools-and-resources/webinars

(Once they archive it, I can put the direct link.)


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KFA

FREE Webinar: Coping with Food Allergy Anxiety:
Back to School and More

August 11, 2015 at 1 pm Eastern | 10 am Pacific

http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/page/webinars.aspx

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Children with food allergies may experience anxiety. Worries and fears can come up for many reasons.

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Join Dr. Gianine D. Rosenblum and Kids With Food Allergies to learn about anxiety coping strategies. Dr. Rosenblum, a psychologist, specializes in the treatment of trauma. She is also the mom of a teenager with food allergies.






Title: Re: Let's talk about anxiety
Post by: LinksEtc on April 26, 2016, 03:08:50 PM
Bias


Risk Literacy


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"Hysterical female? Just anxious? Or heart attack?"
https://myheartsisters.org/2016/03/27/hysterical-female-just-anxious-or-heart-attack/

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I waited because I felt shamed into feeling like an hysterical female, shamed into feeling like I was just anxious. JUST anxious. Like anxiety itself is something that isn’t real when we know that it is. Like anxiety is something to be ashamed of or embarrassed by. When our lives, bodies, souls, are in distress, anxiety is a likely outcome. Wear it proudly. It might save your life one day, and it can be treated, too.

He is not the first doctor to do this, and it is not always men, either.


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"Do listen, and stop being mean"
http://66roses.blogspot.com/2016/01/do-listen-and-stop-being-mean.html

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There's not a person reading this who hasn't had some sort of interaction with the healthcare system, being on the receiving end, the patient side, who hasn't felt judged or labeled or misunderstood by the person providing the care - being labeled (formally or otherwise) as a difficult patient/parent, being non-compliant, having a mental health issue because we simply don't agree. How do we change that stigma, make patients feel more like partners, going in to consult with a subject matter expert but being of equal importance in what they bring to the table, their experience.


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"What not to say to a child with mental health issues"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/guide-parents-say-child-mental-health-crisis-1.3569848

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Parents can now turn to a new resource to help them navigate through what they should and shouldn't say if their kids are depressed or are faced with mental health issues.

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The young people said phrases like, 'it's just a phase or you'll get over it,' or 'don't worry so much you are only a kid,' aren't helpful.


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"Allergy’s High Anxiety: How to Tame Kids’ Fears of Food Reactions"
http://allergicliving.com/2016/05/02/allergys-high-anxiety-how-to-tame-kids-fears-of-food-reactions/

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So a huge question for allergy practices has become, not just how to test, find accurate diagnoses, and counsel food avoidance, but how to assist patients and parents so they don’t become captives to anxiety, and can learn to live well with the disease. Some large U.S. and European food allergy clinics are bringing psychologists such as Herbert on board to help families achieve that emotionally healthy state through modern techniques, which range from extremely frank discussion to wellness and cognitive behavioral approaches.