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Title: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 22, 2012, 08:48:39 AM
There seems to be a gap between some "Food Allergy Action Plans" and "Asthma Action Plans" because the FA plan is only referred to if there is a "suspected or known ingestion" whereas anaphylaxis may occur even if allergy is not initially suspected.

By having the experts make a few standard changes or recommendations to “Asthma Action Plans”, I'm wondering if the judgment calls currently needing to be made by parents, schools, etc. can be reduced.  Plus, it would assure schools that the patient’s different doctors are in agreement with how to proceed with treatment of isolated respiratory symptoms in a patient with both asthma and severe food allergy.

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Feel free to comment to explain your answers.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: rebekahc on May 22, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
Usually but with exceptions

I think most asthma kids don't get into their red zone very often and if they do it should be considered an emergency, so yes, epi should be considered if they end up in the red zone at school.  DS however, has been known to spend days/weeks fighting to get out of the red zone.  There's just no way we could have given him epi all the time like that.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: Janelle205 on May 22, 2012, 12:52:07 PM
I'd say with the majority of those with asthma, probably.

But like rebekah's ds, if my plan was to epi in the red zone, I'd be doing it all. the. time.  My asthma plan does include epi as a last resort though.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 23, 2012, 07:35:14 AM
Thanks for sharing your opinions, I really appreciate it.  Very good points made.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: PurpleCat on May 23, 2012, 05:32:03 PM
That has never been our plan for red zone asthma attacks.  If a rescue inhaler at it's prescribed interval is not enough - we have been instructed to use it more frequently while in phone contact with the doctor on call and then if results are still not improving, it's the ER.  They have never had us use an Epi.

At the hospital they have never used an Epi.  Steroids and child bouncing off the wall and observation for hours until it is safe to go home.

DD has not been that bad in years - we are lucky her asthma is fairly well controlled now.

I have a memory of one of those nights when she was high as a kite on steroids and the cutest little 3 or 4  year old.  She's sitting up on the top of the ER desk, licking a red popsicle, and chatting with 3 doctors like she was holding court.  I was exhausted sitting across the way in her room unable to move!  She had them engaged for quite a while.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: mkobhu2 on May 23, 2012, 11:03:03 PM
in my view using a epi for this purpose should only be done as a last resort, or as a survival method, I personaly have never heard of epi's being used to combat asthma, and just as a reminder epi's are dangerous and when added in to some situations can cause the heart to over beat
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 23, 2012, 11:28:32 PM
I'd like to give a little background on why I started this poll:

1.  From the article "When Anaphylaxis Looks Like Asthma" page 11 - 13 of this link
http://www.aanma.org/pdf/AnaphylaxisGuide.pdf

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Inhalers won’t stop anaphylaxis, but epinephrine will
stop either an asthma attack or anaphylaxis. So if in doubt,
use epinephrine and cover your bases.


2.  Another mention of possibly using Epi is found here:
"Sudden Death: British High School Student’s Case Raises Questions"
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2012/01/11/sudden-death-british-high-school-student%E2%80%99s-case-raises-questions/

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whether this was a case of food allergy anaphylaxis or asthma or both epinephrine is the best emergency treatment for both kinds of airway constriction, but the double duty makes prompt use even more critical.


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I wish asthma & FA doctors could come up with more guidance on the issue, although it appears there would not be a one-size-fits all plan to deal with severe respiratory symptoms in somebody with both asthma & FA.

ETA - of course, if FA is suspected, the FA Action Plan should be referred to right away and that would call for epi.
What I'm talking about is when FA is not initially suspected, so the asthma action plan is being followed.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: Janelle205 on May 24, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
I don't think that I would consider epi to be dangerous, except for in a small subset of the population with other issues.

When I was initially prescribed epi, the allergist told me that he was prescribing it not only because of my reactions, but also because of the severity of my asthma attacks. 

Several doctors and a respiratory therapist have all told me that the pen will work for a severe asthma attack.  And I have a heart condition - they consider the risk from a severe asthma attack to be higher than the danger to my heart, which isn't going to do much good if I stop breathing anyway.

Of course this is a last resort.  But I have commonly worked places where an ambulance is at least 10-15 minutes away, and the nearest hospital is around an hour.  But I was very close to using the epi for an attack about a month ago, and I live in the city now.  I had already done two vials of albuterol and one of atrovent.  If the 3rd vial of albuterol didn't cut it, it was going to be epi and the ambulance, as I was starting to see spots. (Note to anyone who reads this - my pulmo has given me permission to use that much rescue med. Do NOT do that unless your doc is ok with it.)
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on July 24, 2012, 11:14:16 AM
I wanted to add a few things here ...

"Fatal asthma or anaphylaxis?"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1725974/
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Two cases of fatal anaphylaxis are reported who were initially diagnosed as
acute severe asthma, and responded poorly to bronchodilator treatment.
Survivors of “acute asphyxic asthma” should be screened for reactions to
common allergens that provoke anaphylactic reactions. Even if no provoking factor
is identified, the asthma management plan of children who survive an episode of acute
asphyxic asthma should include intramuscular adrenaline (epinephrine) in addition
to conventional bronchodilators.


"WHAT PRIMARY CARE GIVERS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NEW GUIDELINES FOR THE DIAGNOSIS AND MANAGEMENT OF FOOD ALLERGY IN THE US". 2012
http://www.aaaai.org/Aaaai/media/MediaLibrary/PDF%20Documents/Practice%20Resources/Food-Allergy-Guidelines-Summary.pdf
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Severity of future allergic reactions is not accurately predicted by past history.


If patient has FA & asthma & has been prescribed epi .... since FA rxns can be unpredictable, even if no FA resp issues in the past, there still may be some risk.

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"Ontario Student Dies. First Aid Recommendations For Asthma"
http://blog.onespotallergy.com/2012/10/ontario-student-dies-first-aid-recommendations-for-asthma/
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I wonder if Ryan had an allergic reaction to his morning snack, and this was mistaken for an asthma attack and only treated with asthma medication.


"Risk factors for childhood asthma deaths from the UK Eastern Region Confidential Enquiry 2001-2006"
http://www.thepcrj.org/journ/view_article.php?article_id=873
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In one case there was documented exposure to nuts prior to death (the patient was known to be nut allergic). Acute severe asthma due to anaphylaxis as a cause of sudden death may be underestimated


"Improving Diagnostic Accuracy of Anaphylaxis in the Acute Care Setting"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3027438/
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In a study that reviewed the death records of individuals considered to have had an apparent fatal asthma attack, autopsy findings revealed that several of these patients had actually died from anaphylaxis.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 02, 2013, 07:58:38 AM
"MANAGEMENT OF ASTHMA EXACERBATIONS: School Treatment"
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/prof/lung/asthma/sch-emer-actplan.pdf
AUGUST 2011

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** Consider administering epinephrine if the student is unable to use SABA because respiratory distress or agitation prevents adequate inhalation from the SABA inhaler device and nebulized albuterol is not available and the exacerbation is life-threatening. Administer epinephrine auto-injector in lateral thigh as per local or state epinephrine protocol. Epinephrine is NOT first line treatment for asthma. Albuterol is the treatment of choice. Administration of epinephrine should be rare and is intended to prevent a death at school from a severe asthma attack. Most school nurses will never need to administer epinephrine.


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I am running my concerns/ideas about this general topic by my allergist.  I have a lot of confidence in her opinion - so I'm hoping this nagging idea will either get acted upon or I can feel comfortable letting it go.


Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: TwoDDs on May 02, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
I'm with you Links.  The concern you are having and the judgment calls you are worried about folks having to make is - is this a severe asthma attack that will eventually respond to dialation or is this really a food allergy reaction that requires epi RIGHT NOW.

That call makes me uncomfortable sometimes and I know its got to be a killer call for our school nurse.  She's asked us to take her home on days when her asthma was not responding easily and kept saying "I can't be sure what's going on here - it doesn't seem usual for her." - And, that was an attack I had already been treating for 24 hours - so I was SURE it was asthma.  I'd probably be fine with an asthma plan that called for epi at some interval for non-responsivness to dialator - but wouldn't that likely be on the late end of needing epi if what we really had was a progressing food allergy reaction?

Hope I'm making sense.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 02, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
I'd probably be fine with an asthma plan that called for epi at some interval for non-responsivness to dialator - but wouldn't that likely be on the late end of needing epi if what we really had was a progressing food allergy reaction?

Hope I'm making sense.

Perfect sense!

In the rough sample asthma plan draft (for those with FA) I sent to allergist,

I put a decision in there at the first sign of resp symptoms after green zone box with some evaluations that if true, would send patient away from asthma plan to the FA plan & instruction for epi.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: CMdeux on May 02, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
I'm interested in this as well-- because we've now seen a couple of reactions that presented this way... at least we THINK that they were reactions, in retrospect.

Why?  Because they didn't linger the way DD's asthma seems to during a flare.

That is, BOOM-- asthma in the low-yellow-to-red-zone-- treat with large influx of SABD (albuterol)-- not helping, not helping, add antihistamines and MORE albuterol, and magically, improvement over 20-40 minutes that leads to no recurrence of the asthma flare when the bronchodilator wears off.

But it's only clear IN RETROSPECT, which is what is so damned scary about these.

Even DD thinks of them as "just asthma" when they present, and with her sensitivity, there isn't always a known food exposure to consider a potential trigger.

 :-[

We too are going to have to discuss this with our allergist soon.  Just where that bifurcation is, I mean-- when do you begin to think "this is not asthma.... Hmmm... should treat this as an allergic reaction instead"?  So far we've been lucky and I've gone with MY gut-- but soon DD is going to have to be able to make these kinds of determinations for herself.   I don't even feel like I have done such a great job there, honestly.



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: yelloww on May 02, 2013, 10:53:54 AM
My ds has asthma, but it is allergy induced. If he had a full blow asthma attack, I'd stab him because it would be completely out of his normal situation for that to be happening. Therefore, in my mind, it would be an allergic reaction.

I also have a friend whose dh died from a bad asthma attack, leaving her to raise 4 kids on her own.  :-[ I'm a bit more sensitive to ds' asthma because of it. If he has a little bit of wheeze, it is because of pollen or pets and can be treated with an inhaler. Anything more than that gets me really suspicious that it is an allergic reaction.

The only exception to this is when he's around dogs. That kicks up the wheeze big time and it isn't related to anaphylaxsis.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: spacecanada on May 02, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
I can completely relate, CMdeux!  I find myself realising how many allergic reactions I've had that I thought were asthma and I get scared.  It's only afterwards that I realise that it was probably an allergic reaction and not asthma.  Even for the person experiencing it, it can be very difficult to tell the difference.  The biggest thing I notice (in retrospect, and I'm trying to get better at this), is throat swelling.  Even just the tiniest bit of throat swelling is Epi for me, but it can be easily mistaken for low-grade wheezing or chest tightness, and that's what gets me every time.  Too many times.  Add in some panic and fear, and it's just a really bad situation to be in. 

Two months ago I drove myself to the fire department (I was in my car, two blocks away at the time) because I had one of these undetermined reactions that wasn't responding well to Salbutamol, but by the time I got there it was starting to resolve itself and they just monitored me for a while.  (Our local firefighters are also advanced life support paramedics.)

This is a question that may not really have an answer, and I hope one day that this will be talked about with more certainty.  On the safe side, I think it's better to Epi than not, especially with a history of super sensitive allergic reactions: aerosol, contact, traces of traces, etc.  Now, if only I could get my brain trained to think like that...
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: Macabre on May 04, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
I'd like to give a little background on why I started this poll:

1.  From the article "When Anaphylaxis Looks Like Asthma" page 11 - 13 of this link
[url]http://www.aanma.org/pdf/AnaphylaxisGuide.pdf[/url]

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Inhalers won’t stop anaphylaxis, but epinephrine will
stop either an asthma attack or anaphylaxis. So if in doubt,
use epinephrine and cover your bases.





Thank you so much for posting that. I has posted "When Anaphylaxis Looks Like Asthma" a few years ago and then the link stopped working. It looks like they made it part of a larger document. Great to have.

I posted it because DS' anaphylaxis did present as asthma--that the inhaler did not abate. In fact, it got progressively worse. Then other symptoms appeared. We told the school nurse to epi him.  Improvement on all counts.  Then a biphasic reaction 8 hours later, including GI symptoms.

As a child I had to go to the ER about once a year for a number of years for horrible asthma attacks for which I got epinephrine.  I've almost used epi on myself when having bad asthma during bronchitis and flu--once time as recently as a month ago. 

I look for bluing of fingernail beds and lips.  There's a technical term for it--can't think of it right now.

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: CMdeux on May 04, 2013, 02:52:37 PM
cyanosis?
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: Macabre on May 04, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
Yes.

Violet! You're turning violet, violet!

http://youtu.be/mkH4UgIJRmA
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 15, 2013, 09:18:52 AM
Well, I'm dropping the idea  :( .  Our allergist didn't go for the idea.  I felt so strongly that this was a good idea, that it could potentially save lives, but I'm not the expert.

I'll just document the general idea here & then let it go:

1.  Have a special version of asthma action plans for those also having FA

2.  After green zone box, if having resp symptoms:  If suspected allergen ingestion, sudden onset of severe asthma
symptoms following food ingestion, or other food allergy symptoms, then patient is instructed to follow the FA action plan
and use epinephrine.

3.  In red zone, for some patients, have some instructions for the use of epinephrine to catch those instances where anaphylaxis is being mistaken for asthma (example - contact reaction then hand in mouth).

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Anyway, for any readers of this thread, follow both the food allergy and asthma action plans given to you by your doctors.  I'm not
a medical professional.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: CMdeux on May 15, 2013, 09:31:24 AM
Did the doc explain why s/he thought it wasn't something that could be parsed like that?

(I'm genuinely curious-- and I plan to ask OUR allergist as well, so at least we can compare notes about it.)

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 15, 2013, 09:47:51 AM
She just said that there are better asthma meds now than epi & and that epi for asthma (if used) would generally be in a hospital setting.

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I'm not going to take this any further with any of my doctors, I can't.  I'm just going to talk with them about my dd.

However, what I want to say and I've tried so hard to make clear is that the epi on the asthma plan is not for asthma.  It's for anaphylaxis that the patient thinks is asthma. 

I  :heart: that you see the value of discussing this with your dr.  I  :heart: that you often seem to "get" my crazy ideas.

I've personally taken this as far as I can.

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ETA for CM - Here's a pic.

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/Pics_Stuff436/AsthmaPlan-FAS.jpg)

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 29, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
Sorry to bump this ... I know I said I'm done with this ... my thoughts are not cooperating  :hiding:.

I'm just going to save a few spots here so I can add more info if/when I come across articles, etc.

Of course, anybody is welcome to still post if they want.

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"Asthma mortality among Swedish children and young adults, a 10-year study."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18635346

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An alarming finding was that 11 of the 37 deaths were probably caused by food allergy and for 8 subjects death was associated with exposure to pet dander. The death certificates were found to contain inaccuracies with 30% of those for whom asthma was reported as the underlying cause having died from other causes.


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"Risk factors for childhood asthma deaths from the UK Eastern Region Confidential Enquiry 2001-2006"
http://www.thepcrj.org/journ/view_article.php?article_id=873

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In a further five children there was evidence of allergen exposure shortly prior to death – in four cases exposure to an animal or pet, and in one case exposure to nuts.


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"I wish I was the parent that was warned"
http://allergy.hyperboards.com/action/view_topic/topic_id/4014

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Mike [Andrew's Dad] got his shoes on and started up the truck. But he was afraid to take the nebulizer off Andrew because he was really struggling to breathe and his lips were turning blue.


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At first, we though it was just his asthma. They said "no, its anaphylactic shock." It makes me angry more than words can say. We were never told anything like this could happen.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 29, 2013, 10:37:48 PM
"Near-Fatal Asthma: What Have We Learned?"
http://publications.chestnet.org/data/Journals/CHEST/21977/1394.pdf

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near-fatal asthma (NFA)

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What was surprising was that patients with NFA reported more food allergies and onset of their episode following a visit to a bar, party, or restaurant.


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"Emergency management of anaphylaxis in children and young people: new guidance from the Resuscitation Council (UK)"
http://ep.bmjjournals.com/content/94/4/97.extract?related-urls=yes&legid=edpract;94/4/97
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Published prevalence of anaphylaxis admissions should be interpreted with caution as an unknown number could be miscoded as severe asthma


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"Anaphylaxis"
Kim and Fischer Allergy, Asthma & Clinical Immunology 2011, 7(Suppl 1):S6
http://www.aacijournal.com/content/pdf/1710-1492-7-S1-S6.pdf

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As mentioned earlier, patients with asthma, particularly
those with poorly controlled asthma, are at
increased risk of a fatal reaction. In these patients, anaphylaxis
may be mistaken for an asthma exacerbation
and inappropriately treated solely with asthma inhalers.
Therefore, if there are ongoing asthma symptoms in an
individual with known anaphylaxis, epinephrine should
be given [6].
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 29, 2013, 10:38:26 PM
"Postmortem findings after fatal anaphylactic reactions"
http://jcp.bmj.com/content/53/4/273.full
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In five of 16 deaths caused by nut allergy, the postmortem cause of death was given as asthma, despite other features of a generalised reaction noted in the clinical record. It is possible that many other acute asthma deaths in those with a history of food allergy might have been reactions to food. A recent study from Sweden has identified soy proteins as a possible cause of such reactions.18 This raises the question of which deaths should be classified as anaphylactic, and which asthmatic.


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"Combined Action Plans for Food Allergy And Asthma?"

http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2012/05/02/combined-action-plans-for-food-allergy-and-asthma/

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"Lessons for management of anaphylaxis from a study of fatal reactions"
R. S. H. PUMPHREY
http://medicina.med.up.pt/im/trabalhos05_06/sites/Turma21/artigos%20-%20WEB/tiburcio%2017.pdf

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Because all food-related reactions caused difficulty breathing, the paramedics commonly had difficulty deciding whether to use the protocol for anaphylaxis or for asthma. This led to delayed or inappropriate treatment that may have contributed to the fatality.


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I found this similar discussion at the old FAS board

http://allergy.hyperboards.com/action/view_topic/topic_id/17634

Grab her inhaler! That LOOKS like an asthma attack! Oh, oops . . . anaphylaxis:

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote from this old thread (anyone can edit if it's a problem), but I just agree so much with this!

12/31/10
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I would like to see these standard action plans revised to make it very clear that anaphylaxis can look like an asthma attack. I also would like to see this information part of the "welcome packet" of standard information given to parents of children with both anaphylaxis and asthma.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: CMdeux on May 30, 2013, 08:00:14 AM
... and see, when I see that, I'm not thinking "surprising" so much as deeply TROUBLING.

 :-[
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: TwoDDs on May 30, 2013, 01:40:07 PM
Agreed.  I don't find that "surprising" at all.  But, I'm not a doctor.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 30, 2013, 03:24:42 PM
If doctors can't always tell the difference between FA/anaphylaxis & asthma, it seems pretty clear that caregivers, patients, & nurses will sometimes have a hard time.

We always hear on the FA side, better safe than sorry, epi is a pretty safe drug.

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From the asthma side, a lot of doctors seem to have a much different perspective.  I wonder if some of this resistance has to do with the recent issue of epinephrine inhalers ... ex:

Epinephrine for Asthma (starting at 1:36)
Epinephrine for Asthma with Nancy Sander, Dr. Monica Kraft and Dr. Edward Kerwin

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Another unrelated thought on this general topic.  A lot of people with both asthma & FA have asthma symptoms quite often whereas allergic reactions often happen much more infrequently so I think there might also be a psychological element sometimes at play with respiratory symptoms where somebody's first instinct might be to think "asthma", not "FA".  Having an asthma plan targeted to those with FA would remind patients that they are dealing with 2 different possible scenarios.

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It's likely that if there were asthma plans like this, sometimes asthma would be mistaken for ana, but I'd personally rather have that for my dd than having ana mistaken for asthma since epi will help with both.  Possible unnecessary trip to ER compared to  :-[
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 31, 2013, 08:16:34 AM
I just wanted to say this one last time, especially for any newbies,  please follow the food allergy and asthma action plans given to you by your doctors.  Also, for food allergy reactions, it is important to remember this (bold mine):
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"The benefits of epinephrine almost always outweigh the risks, but there's a reluctance to use it. Patients get palpitations, they might get a headache, their heart rate goes up, but it's a potentially life-saving treatment."

"Anaphylaxis Death Rate Down, but Epinephrine Use Poor"
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780414

Talk with your doctors about any questions or concerns you are having.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: CMdeux on May 31, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
 :yes:  ALWAYS worth repeating. 
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
Just adding a few more spots here.

This issue has activated my stubborn (and I hope not too annoying) side

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"Sudden Collapse In An Athlete"
http://www.amssm.org/sudden-collapse-in-an-ath-csa-35.html

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With a past medical history of asthma, she thought she was having and asthma exacerbation and used her albuterol inhaler multiple times without relief of dyspnea


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She was immediately given epinephrine 0.3 mg intramuscularly (into the thigh) and immediately regained consciousness with prompt resolution of dyspnea


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http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/Comparison-of-injected-epinephrine-and-inhaled-alb.aspx

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Do you think IM or SC epinephrine should be added to school nurse treatment protocols for severe asthma epidoses that are not improving after albuterol administration (in addition to the nurse calling 911).


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having epinephrine available as a backup is not a bad idea in case of poor inhalation technique, but it is not necessary to have injected epinephrine available for the treatment of asthma with proper inhaltion technique. Early studies (an example is copied below for your convenience) showed that the injection of epinephrine offered very little in addition to the inhalation of beta-adrenergic agents for the therapy of asthma


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"Parents seeking millions against school district for asthma attack death"
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2009/03/08/650722/parents-seeking-millions-against.html

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Larson’s orders don’t stipulate the EpiPen must be used in an asthma attack, but the family’s attorney, Thaddeus Martin, believes it would have saved her life.


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As the four adults tried to get the child to relax, one of them gave Mercedes doses from an inhaler “telling Mercedes to try and hold it in"


Re: Follow up to Bethel Student who died from asthma attack



http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/09/28/nasal-epinephrine-good-idea-or-not/
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The great thing about epi is that if there’s a caregiver present it doesn’t depend on the status of the patient.  You deliver the drug to the thigh muscle and the body itself does all the work.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:17:06 PM
"Food Intolerance and childhood asthma: what is the link?"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17523696

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Asthma alone as a manifestation of a food allergy is rare and atypical. Less than 5% of patients experience wheezing without cutaneous or gastrointestinal symptoms during a food challenge.


* Just a quick note from me - conditions during an OFC with expert allergists closely monitoring symptoms are a lot different than normal everyday conditions with non-expert patients/caregivers having to decide how to recognize & treat a reaction.

Also, although this presentation may be atypical, it is not insignificant.

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http://community.kidswithfoodallergies.org/topic/when-anaphylaxis-looks-like-asthma

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House CallAug/Sep 2013 Issue
By Michael Pistiner, MD, MMSC, Jennifer LeBovidge, PHD, and Anaphylaxis Canada

http://www.livingwithout.com/issues/4_27/housecall-aug-sep13-3388-1.html

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I’m worried about confusing asthma symptoms with anaphylaxis. What if I give my child the wrong medication?
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
Here I'll put a few threads from our board ...


Newly Dx-Sesame, Sunflower, Flax, Wheat, Eggs
I wonder if I should ask for some type of inhaler??? Accidental exposure to Sunflower and Sesame bring on the wheezing and feeling like I cant catch my breath big time(obviously other symptoms too) Would that be something to help? Would I use it before or after the epi or in lieu of??? I hate to sound stupid but I would rather ask now and know. 


New to Allergies

Connecting "FA Action Plan" with "Asthma Action Plan"
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:18:09 PM
Good experiences with allergists and staff


Asthma as anaphylaxis:  again, any asthma that doesn't "fit" the usual pattern (for someone like my DD, who has pretty stable asthma) needs to be viewed with deep suspicion, and even moreso if she has been anywhere where there is food within the preceding hour or two.  I did laugh and remind him that this means anytime we've left the house.


That's the pattern, basically-- that "regular" asthma responds to rescue meds pretty well, and allergy-driven asthma does not.


My daughter's asthma has shifted slightly (worsened, actually, at least in frequency) in the past year or so.  We were aware that this could happen during adolescence, though obviously we aren't pleased about it.  She probably uses rescue meds 2-6 times a month even without illness or allergy being in the picture.

We are much better about checking peak flows as a result.  That's helpful in some respects, since we know what a 10% or 20% decrease in peak flows looks like, and she knows very well what it feels like. 

We also are quite aggressive about pre-medicating in any situation where an impairment is likely-- before exercise, before general anesthesia, etc.

So we have a sort of decision tree-- but not an "action plan" so to speak.  Not the way that we do with food allergy. 

But I have  lot clearer picture of when to transition from the one to the other now, and so I'm happy about that. 

Basically, the decision tree re: breathing problems of any kind is:

Possible allergen exposure?

Y/likely?  try ONE administration of albuterol-- and if it helps, observe, if not, proceed to allergy action plan-- aggressively.  Use Epi.

N/unlikely? try up to TWO administrations of albuterol (5-10 min apart), if impairment isn't significantly better, proceed to allergy action plan and watch carefully.  If impairment worsens, use EPI.

Other factors which change things slightly include:

a) ease of access to EMS (the more difficult, the more aggressive we'll want to be)
b) overall 'atopic' context-- that is, how reactive has she been recently, how much allergen load currently, etc.


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CM,

Regarding this ...

So we have a sort of decision tree-- but not an "action plan" so to speak.  Not the way that we do with food allergy. 

But I have  lot clearer picture of when to transition from the one to the other now, and so I'm happy about that. 


I have no doubt that you are on top of this without a written plan, but as your dd gets older and is not around you as much, do you still feel comfortable not having it written down for your dd and the people she may be with in case of a bad reaction?  I'm wondering even if having copies of the individualized asthma & allergy plans stored at MedicAlert might make sense for some (if that's something MedicAlert would do) ... it might convince first responders & ER docs the path that might be best for the particular patient involved.

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This isn't directed at CM ... just seemed to fit here.

http://www.cdc.gov/asthma/actionplan.html

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All people with asthma should have an asthma action plan. An asthma action plan (also called a management plan) is a written plan that you develop with your doctor to help control your asthma.




ETA article against using plans:
Re: General asthma info & links





Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
Emerg Med J. 2013 Oct;30(10):878. doi: 10.1136/emermed-2013-203113.30.
Does anaphylaxis masquerade as asthma in children?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24014724

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Anaphylaxis is under-reported in emergency settings and the potential for diagnostic confusion with acute asthma has been reported, especially in children who experience predominantly respiratory symptoms.


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The results support the conclusion that some cases of anaphylaxis are unidentified and managed as acute asthma in children. The local frequency was estimated at 4.1% of children admitted to PICU but larger prospective multi-centre studies are required to better define the true prevalence nationally.


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http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT01705964
University of Louisville

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Project Aim: To determine if intramuscular epinephrine is an effective adjunct to inhaled bronchodilators (β2 agonists) for children with severe asthma exacerbation.


I wonder if they will keep track of which kids have FA.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
http://allergicliving.com/index.php/2010/07/02/readers-story-use-the-darn-needle/
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When he was 7, a cheese slice touched his food. He didn’t eat the cheese slice – it just touched his food. Sudden asthma attack. Albuterol and antihistamines barely made a dent this time. We rushed him to the doctor where he was given a shot of epinephrine and steroids. We had an EpiPen with us – we didn’t use it because we were looking for more than asthma. Big mistake. We were lucky his symptoms turned around.


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"Allergy Frequently Asked Questions"
http://allergicliving.com/index.php/faq/

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The CSACI says: “In cases where an anaphylactic reaction is suspected, but there is uncertainty whether or not the person is experiencing an asthma attack, epinephrine should be used first (e.g. before a puffer). Ephinephrine can be used to treat life-threatening asthma attacks as well as anaphylactic reactions.”


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"Anaphylaxis Goes Unrecognized"
http://allergicliving.com/index.php/2010/07/02/food-allergy-anaphylaxis-goes-unrecognized/

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Despite anaphylaxis becoming more common, it is under recognized


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The reason is: it’s not so easy to recognize


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She notes that breathing problems can cause confusion over whether a person is suffering from anaphylaxis or an asthma attack.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on September 02, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
"Quandaries in prescribing an emergency action plan and self-injectable epinephrine for first-aid management of anaphylaxis in the community"

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(05)00017-5/fulltext


Below is just a hypothetical example ...they aren't advocating any specific course of action.
 
I added some bolding below.

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Seven-year-old child with clinical history of milk allergy (hives, vomiting) experiences sudden coughing and wheezing 15 minutes after a presumably milk-free lunch at a friend's house; has no rash or other symptoms.



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Pro—inject immediately: safety of lunch uncertain, up to 10% of individuals with anaphylaxis have no skin signs, presentation of anaphylaxis varies from episode to episode in the same individual; treating anaphylaxis only with albuterol could have tragic consequences; low risk of side effects from SIE.

Con—inject immediately: for possible asthma exacerbation, try albuterol MDI first.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on October 16, 2013, 10:43:18 AM
Asthma and Food Allergies: What Parents Need to Know
Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM EDT
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/760226623
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Join us with guest speaker David Stukus, MD, a Medical Advisor to KFA. Dr. Stukus is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics in Allergy/Immunology at Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio.


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http://community.kidswithfoodallergies.org/topic/asthma-and-food-allergies-what-you-need-to-know

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Some of the topics that will be covered:


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How can you tell asthma from food allergy?


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Well, it was a really nice & informative presentation .... the Dr was very knowledgeable, seemed nice, & has a sense of humor (ewww to the dust mite pic & lol at the epi, epi, epi slide) ....

but alas, no comments on the specific ideas in this thread (special versions of asthma plans for those also having FA), which was my ? ....
seems there were lots of ?'s.

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http://community.kidswithfoodallergies.org/blog/asthma-and-food-allergy-diagnosis-treatment-prevention-video-and-resources

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on October 16, 2013, 10:44:46 AM
Just some late night rambling of thoughts ...

What is the downside of having special versions of asthma plans targeted to those also having FA? 

Yes, some coordination/communication between docs (ex - pulmo & allergist) might be necessary, but I don't see that as a bad thing.

Since the asthma plan would refer the patient to the "food allergy action plan" in certain cases, this would be an additional opportunity to check that the patient has in fact been given a FA plan.

Just like FA plans have different options for different patients (ex - epi if ingestion but no symptoms option) ... the asthma plan could be set up different ways .... (ex - sudden symptoms after eating ... do you try the albuterol 1st or not).

What I feel strongly about from a patient perspective is that docs have to write this stuff into the plans.  Something is missing from the plans when, in support groups like this, we keep having to explain the issue to newbies & we keep having to refer to that "When Anaphylaxis Looks Like Asthma" article.

We should be able to give schools (etc) copies of the "food allergy action plan" & "asthma action plan" and not have to worry that the wrong plan will be followed.  Why are we telling nurses that most will never need to give epi (http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/prof/lung/asthma/sch-emer-actplan.pdf)?  Should we not be saying that when in doubt (for this special population with both FA & asthma), give epi?
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on October 16, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
"Fatal and Near-Fatal Asthma in Children: the Critical Care Perspective"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402707/

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Among all cases, 76 (29%) had a documented non-food allergy and 51 (20%) had a food allergy. Allergic exposure precipitated the admission in 19/102 (19%) of those with known allergies.


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"The natural history of fatal childhood asthma: a case from the Isle of Wight birth cohort"
http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/145831/

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At the age of 11 years, despite apparent clinical stability and use of regular controller asthma therapy, she suffered a fatal acute asthma attack that may have been related to acute allergen exposure.


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"Fatal asthma in a child after use of an animal shampoo containing pyrethrin"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071005/

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I'm not sure how non-food allergies would fit into the equation.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on October 16, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Hi to my good friend ET.  :bye:

Thank you  :heart:
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:47:53 PM
I thought I saved enough empty posts so that I wouldn't have to keep raising this thread, but I've run out of room again.  This time I'll save a lot, just in case.  Sorry to bump again.

Just reminding readers, yet again, please follow the "food allergy action plan" & "asthma action plan" given to you by your doctor(s).  If you have questions/concerns about issues raised in this thread, make sure to discuss them with your doctor(s).

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"Using Epinephrine to Treat Allergic Asthma"
http://itchylittleworld.com/2013/10/15/using-epinephrine-to-treat-allergic-asthma/
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Today my son’s allergist told me that I should use epinephrine ANY time my son starts to show signs of breathing distress after exposure to a known food allergen. And I should use it first, before Benedryl or Ventolin. And if he’s going into an asthma crisis unrelated to food, to go ahead and use epinephrine as well.


The comments following that above blog post are also very interesting.

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FARE webinar - "Your Questions Answered: Anaphylaxis"
Dr. Robert A. Wood
http://blog.foodallergy.org/2013/11/15/your-questions-answered-anaphylaxis/

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How can you distinguish between symptoms of anaphylaxis and other illnesses? (e.g., asthma attack, random hives, stomach cramps, or anxiety attack)

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The symptoms can be identical. What we want to do is interpret the symptoms in the context of the overall situation and the chance that there’s been a food exposure.


Could we write some of those criteria used to interpret "Lung" symptoms into the asthma plan?  If a FA parent tells somebody (like a family member or the school nurse) how to interpret the symptoms and which plan (asthma or allergy) to follow in a certain situation, what the parent says doesn't have the same credibility or permanency as what the doc(s) have actually written in the plans.  In an emergency, interpreting the symptoms (especially for non-medical caregivers) can be really tricky.  At some point, some of them could use a little kick - hey, get out of the asthma plan - you need to be looking at the food allergy plan.


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They are not suggesting this for everyone (personal docs must decide) ...

Children's Mercy - Kansas City
"Red Zone Treatment"
http://tinyurl.com/kgq6m64
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If the patient is having a perceived life-threatening event, peripheral or central cyanosis, or worsening symptoms then the epinephrine should be administered and local emergency services contacted immediately.


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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
Wow, this is the first asthma plan that I've seen that includes epinephrine as part of the standard form.

"STUDENT ASTHMA ACTION CARD"
http://dhss.alaska.gov/dph/wcfh/Documents/asthma_allergies/PDFs/AsthmaActionPlan.pdf
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I authorize administration of an Epinephrine injection for my child if they have a severe asthma episode in which their prescribed asthma medication is not resolving their respiratory distress/failure.


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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
I was thinking about comments CM made about the old FAAN food allergy action plan being confusing to some people.
FARE's new Food Allergy Action Plan

There may be a concern that having special asthma plans for those also having FA would be too confusing for patients/caregivers.  Writing it down might be a little confusing/surprising to some at first, but my opinion is that not having it written down is much more confusing/dangerous.

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http://www.allergyhome.org/handbook/table-of-contents/recognize-and-treat-allergic-reactions/epinephrine/

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Many parents worry they might mistake anaphylaxis for an asthma attack.


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"Overview of Food Allergies and Anaphylaxis"
http://www.sde.ct.gov/sde/cwp/view.asp?a=2663&q=334642

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Anaphylaxis may occur in the absence of any skin symptoms such as itching and hives. Fatal anaphylaxis is more common in children who present with respiratory symptoms or GI symptoms such as abdominal pain, nausea or vomiting. In many fatal reactions, the initial symptoms of anaphylaxis were mistaken for asthma or mild GI illness, which resulted in delayed treatment with epinephrine auto-injector.

Fatal anaphylaxis is more common in children with food aller­gies who are asthmatic, even if the asthma is mild and well controlled.


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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:49:22 PM
Dr Adam Fox talking to uk parliament.

Yes, yes, yes to what this doc said about needing a holistic approach for treating atopic kids.

Let me count the specialists we've seen for the atopic related stuff:  allergist, pulmo, derm, GI, ENT, & ped.  These docs often see things from their own corner of the atopic room & sometimes they fight, ok - let's say disagree, with each other.  When that happens, guess who gets to decide - yep, that would be me.  It's much nicer when they complement one another & communicate as a team.

My FAS passion these days - having special versions of asthma plans for those having both FA & asthma - in my non-medical opinion -  this is the type of specialty crossover that's needed.



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COMMON ERRORS IN INTERNAL MEDICINE
"ASTHMA OR ANAPHYLAXIS?"

http://www.fedprac.com/fileadmin/qhi_archive/ArticlePDF/FP/021050029.pdf

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Food-induced anaphylaxis often is mistaken for severe status asthmaticus, and laboratory studies aren’t helpful in differentiating the two.


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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
For patients outside of a medical setting, the risk of epi overdose seems pretty low if given according to physician instructions because the amount is prefilled.  The med has saved countless lives.

A reminder:
"Food Allergies & Prescribed Injectable Epinephrine: Know. Practice. Carry. Use."
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2012/12/09/food-allergies-prescribed-injectable-epinephrine-know-practice-carry-use/
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Epinephrine is safe and the alternative is unthinkable. The side effects (e.g. higher heart rate, jitteriness, headache) usually last only minutes and subside with rest.[1] Timing is essential as delayed administration has been associated with fatalities or near-fatalities.



However, if this general idea of loosening the restrictions on epi (in cases where it is unclear whether dealing with asthma or anaphylaxis) were applied to medical settings where docs/nurses measure the dose, the below risks would have to be considered.

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"Confusion about epinephrine dosing leading to iatrogenic overdose: a life-threatening problem with a potential solution."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20031267/
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Epinephrine is indicated for various medical emergencies, including cardiac arrest and anaphylaxis, but the dose and route of administration are different for each indication. For anaphylaxis, it is given intramuscularly at a low dose, whereas for cardiac arrest a higher dose is required intravenously. We encountered a patient with suspected anaphylaxis who developed transient severe systolic dysfunction because of inappropriately received cardiac arrest dose, ie, larger dose given as an intravenous push.


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The risk of error was amplified by the need for rapid decision making in critically ill anaphylactic patients.


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Anaphylaxis: A review and update
Jennifer Tupper, MD CCFP(EM) and Shaun Visser, MD CCFP(EM)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954079/#!po=31.2500

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The error rate of epinephrine administration causing potentially fatal adverse reactions in one study was reported to be 2.4%.8 One study suggested that prefilled syringes of 0.3 mg of 1:1000 epinephrine clearly labeled to be given IM for anaphylaxis would decrease the incidence of dosing errors.8


Different pediatric doses might be needed.

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Epinephrine injected incorrectly in hospital


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"Safety of epinephrine for anaphylaxis in the emergency setting"
http://www.wjem.org/upload/admin/201311/d095a4afd3dc3f7fc3baa8d33a54d10b.pdf
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CONCLUSION: Epinephrine by intramuscular injection is a safe therapy for anaphylaxis but training may still be necessary in emergency care settings to minimize drug dosing and administration errors and to allay concerns about its safety.




Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
"Interview with Dr. Hemant Sharma"
http://home.allergicchild.com/interview-with-dr-hemant-sharma/

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Prior studies suggest that more than a third of children with food allergies also have asthma, and up to 8% of asthmatic children have a food allergy.


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Asthma is another risk factor for fatal food allergy reactions.  This might be explained by delayed use of epinephrine since people with asthma might often reach first for their inhaler when they are experiencing breathing difficulty, and overlook other signs of anaphylaxis.


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"Shortness of Breath or Wheezing After Eating"
http://foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergysymptoms/a/Shortness-Of-Breath-Or-Wheezing-After-Eating.htm

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If you recently ate, have known food allergies, and are feeling like you are having a severe asthma attack, use your epinephrine auto-injector (Epi-Pen or Twinject). You may or may not be experiencing anaphylaxis –- but your auto-injector will stop both anaphylaxis and an asthma attack. Your inhaler will not help if the problem is anaphylaxis.


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"Teen Food Allergy Deaths: Lessons from Tragedy"
http://allergicliving.com/index.php/2010/07/02/food-allergy-teen-tragedies/

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While Chantelle’s death is considered the more evident case of anaphylaxis (to peanut or nut in the square she ate), each girl assumed she was having an asthma attack. In the panic of breathing distress, both Chantelle and Christina reached for a puffer, but neither administered an epinephrine auto-injector, which would have been effective in an anaphylactic episode and also in severe asthma.


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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:50:46 PM
"Taking Asthma Care To School"
http://www.k12.wa.us/healthservices/pubdocs/AsthmaManual.pdf

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appropriate asthma management plans (both ECP and IHP/ 504) will be developed by the school nurse.

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The written asthma management plan developed by the school nurse should include:

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Co-morbidities that may affect asthma management (i.e. anaphylaxis and need for emergency epinephrine in acute unresponsive asthma treatment)


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"Foods That Trigger Asthma"
http://www.asthmaallergieschildren.com/2013/12/13/foods-that-trigger-asthma/

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http://www.allergyhome.org/handbook/table-of-contents/food-allergy-at-risk-groups/asthma/

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If your child has difficulty breathing during an allergic reaction, give the auto-injector before giving asthma medication.  Keep in mind that epinephrine will treat severe asthmatic symptoms as well as anaphylaxis.


Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
See, this must be my problem in getting this idea "heard"  ;D

"Inside the Box: People don’t actually like creativity."
http://tinyurl.com/mtukm3m


Just kidding, sort of.

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Also, the whole "patient finding info on the internet thing" is problematic.

Docs helping patients to surf the internet

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Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:51:25 PM
Reminder time ... this thread is not medical advice.  If you have questions about stuff in this thread, talk to your own doctor(s)!!!  Follow the allergy and asthma plans your docs give you!  I'm no expert, only a mom.

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"Asthma Tragedy At School Reveals Flawed Board Policy, Ryan’s Law Proposed"
http://blog.onespotallergy.com/2013/12/asthma-tragedy-at-school-reveals-flawed-board-policy-ryans-law-proposed/

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expanding labeling indicates use of an EpiPen for temporary emergency treatment of severe life-threatening asthma attacks. That is, when the puffer isn’t providing relief or can’t be administered (for example with an unconscious patient), injecting the patient with an EpiPen is the treatment to provide.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
Study re: pre-hospital use of Epi in anaphylaxis cases

"Prehospital Management of Pediatric Anaphylaxis"
http://www.jems.com/article/patient-care/prehospital-management-pediatric-anaphyl
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Not every anaphylaxis patient presents the same. Patients often present with respiratory distress alone, which is common to many childhood illnesses. The study states that a larger percentage of the patients had a history of asthma. With this pertinent information, the procedures of albuterol nebulizers and oxygen would be the protocol followed.


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"Respiratory Manifestations of Food Allergy"
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/111/Supplement_3/1625.full.pdf
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A recent investigation summarized data from a voluntary registry of 5149 individuals, mostly children, with peanut and/or tree nut allergy.12 Respiratory reactions, including trouble breathing, wheezing, throat tightness, and nasal congestion, were reported in 42% and 56% of respondents as part of their initial reactions to peanuts and tree nuts, respectively. One half of the reactions involved >1 organ system, and registrants with asthma were significantly more likely than those without asthma to have severe reactions (33% vs 21%; P < .0001).


Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
I tried to resist, really I did.  I brought no printouts to the pulmonary appointment, I was going to be the good mom and just talk about dd.

Fate.  The doc starts complaining how he doesn't like the changes made to their asthma action plans ... the hospital didn't consult their expert pulmos to the extent that they should have in his opinion  :).  We get on the subject ... carefully watching my approach so as not to offend or look like google-mom ... we had a good-natured, albeit short, conversation on this topic (I drew a beautiful 10 second sketch).

This is a famous place for pulmo.  He didn't seem to knock it on theory, but it just didn't seem to have a lot of relevance to him because he estimated only about 2% of his patients had both FA (with epi rx) & asthma.  I didn't push it, but interesting to hear some of his perspective on changing asthma plan formats.


Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:52:24 PM
http://blawged.blogspot.com/2013/01/10-things-i-learnt-about-preventing.html?spref=tw&m=1

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At the end of the lesson, Raymond got up and left the building. At the bottom of the stairs he collapsed. The trained first aid officer was on the scene very quickly and fetched asthma medication. Raymond said "EpiPen, EpiPen".


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"2 MORE DEATHS LINKED TO SULFITE IN FOOD ARE UNDER SCRUTINY"
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/09/05/us/2-more-deaths-linked-to-sulfite-in-food-are-under-scrutiny.html
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If sulfites are fully established as the cause of the asthmatic attacks, the two cases will bring to 15 the number of confirmed deaths associated with the preservative since 1983.



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:52:43 PM
Latex-Fruit Syndrome

Strange Symptom Last Night

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
http://www.amazingandatopic.com/2012/09/anaphylaxis-posing-as-asthma.html

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I was just standing there, looking at her chest suck inward, perplexed, not knowing what to do.  The problem was, we were looking at this from purely a breathing/asthma perspective and forgetting that we are assessing an allergic child, here.  We were missing the bigger picture.



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:53:27 PM
“Auntie, I’ve taken my asthma puffer, but I still can’t breathe and I’m scared”
http://www.allergynet.com.au/auntie-ive-taken-my-asthma-puffer-but-i-still-cant-breathe-and-im-scared/

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If Billy had a known severe food allergy and carried an EpiPen, and got sudden life-threatening asthma as described above, even without other features of anaphylaxis, you should inject him with the EpiPen, give him the First Aid Plan for asthma, and call the ambulance.



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:53:49 PM
http://www.ottawaasg.com/OASG2006/Downloads/QCMay06.pdf


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In his report, Dr. Miron also emphasized the complexity of treating a severe asthma crisis in a person with life-threatening allergies. Should a person experiencing severe bronchospasm use the epinephrine auto- injector first and then the bronchodilator, or vice-versa?


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evaluate the pertinence of using the epinephrine auto-injector as the first-line medication for severe brochospasm that could lead to death in those with asthma and food allergies



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:54:10 PM
http://cornwalls.com.au/sharing-knowledge/legal-updates/a-venture-into-dangerous-territory-an-overview-of-the-responsibilities-of-schools-and-teachers-in-off-campus-care-for-students-with-serious-medical-conditions-such-as-anaphylaxis-.aspx

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they both made their way to the camp headquarters by which stage Nathan was finding it harder to breathe and puffed on his asthma puffer. The student placed the EpiPen on top of the first aid kit at the headquarters and alerted others to Nathan's situation. Two teachers were present at the headquarters. Neither administered Nathan's EpiPen.
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
http://www.allergy.org.au/about-ascia/media/558-jan-28-2014-ascia-anaphylaxis-training-and-action-plan-updates


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Many individuals with severe allergies, who are at risk of anaphylaxis, also have asthma and sometimes it can be difficult to differentiate between anaphylaxis and asthma symptoms.

To help address this issue the Australasian Society of Clinical Immunology and Allergy (ASCIA), the peak medical society for immunology and allergy in Australia and New Zealand, has recently included a new “Asthma and Anaphylaxis” module into its updated versions of ASCIA anaphylaxis e-training for schools, childcare services and the community.


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Revised wording regarding asthma – by stating “If uncertain whether it is asthma or anaphylaxis, give adrenaline autoinjector first, then asthma reliever medication.” and inclusion of a tick box in the personal (red and green) versions to indicate if the person has asthma.



http://www.allergy.org.au/images/stories/mediareleases/ASCIA_media_release_Jan_2014.pdf


http://www.allergy.org.au


http://www.allergy.org.au/patients/anaphylaxis-e-training-schools-and-childcare



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
"Safety Of Pediatric Peanut Oral Immunotherapy Is Complicated By High Adverse Event Rates"
Yamini Virkud, MD, MA, , , ,
https://aaaai.confex.com/aaaai/2014/webprogram/Paper11185.html

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Symptom diaries showed 54% of subjects received treatment at home for likely related events at some point during OIT, 53% with antihistamines, 18% with albuterol, 9% with epinephrine, and 15% had an emergency room visit.  Over the course of OIT, 37% of subjects should have received epinephrine based on symptom severity yet were not given any.


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Tweeted by @IgECPD

'A few peanuts killed my Sarah, but her death has saved thousands'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1325192/A-peanuts-killed-Sarah-death-saved-thousands.html

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The paramedics on the scene concluded that her death was caused by an asthma attack and the doctors at the hospital agreed, but Sylvia questioned the diagnosis.

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A GP friend used a phrase I'd never heard, anaphylactic shock




Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
Re: How epinephrine works to stop Anaphylaxis
Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
http://www.foodallergy.org/treating-an-allergic-reaction


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Short-acting bronchodilators (known as “rescue” inhalers), such as albuterol (Alupent®, Proventil®, Ventolin®), may be used to help relieve breathing problems once epinephrine has been given, particularly if you are experiencing asthma symptoms. They should not be depended upon to treat the breathing problems that can occur during anaphylaxis—use the epinephrine.


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Tweeted by @Aller_MD

"Epinephrine autoinjectors for asthmatics"
http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/Epinephrine-autoinjectors-for-asthmatics.aspx?utm_content=buffer43748&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Is there a guideline as per AAAAI on prescribing Epi Pens in asthmatic patients for use in case of experiencing immediate hypersensivity reactions to food (no prior Hx of food allergies).

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Your question is a philosophical one in that there is risk with anaphylaxis in all subjects with asthma, as anaphylaxis is likely to be more severe and life threatening with preexisting asthma. However, there is risk and cost in prescribing this therapy.


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7 yo possible anaphylaxis death

https://www.facebook.com/lillith72/posts/402139973273576?pnref=story

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His father did his very best, he placed him on the machine at first assuming to asthma, grandma god bless her made him give benadryl regardless but once he noticed it was more and got the epi pen it set in.




Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:55:54 PM
"HALTON ASTHMA PROTOCOL"
http://www.hdsb.ca/ParentInfo/Health%20Protocols/AsthmaProtocol.pdf

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In cases where an anaphylactic reaction is suspected, but there is uncertainty whether or not the person is experiencing an asthma attack, epinephrine should be used first. Epinephrine can be used to treat life-threatening asthma attacks as well as anaphylactic reactions.


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"Misdiagnosis: is it what doctors think, or HOW they think?"
http://myheartsisters.org/2014/05/25/diagnostic-errors/

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some conditions (such as ureteral colic and dissecting abdominal aneurysm, or subarachnoid hemorrhage and migraine) may show complete overlap in their symptomatic presentation.”

Dr. Croskerry adds that in these latter examples, the probability of correctly diagnosing the disease on the basis of clinical presentation may be no better than chance because noise may completely overlap the signal.


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Re: Think it's "just asthma?" THINK AGAIN-- could be peanuts.

I think sometimes people like to divide asthma & FA with a big line ... but I think the reality might be more complicated ... a more integrated approach might work better ... & it will benefit patients if allergists & pulmos can work together & coordinate patient care.



^WORD.   :yes:

IMO-- this is no time for a turf war, guys.  There's enough trouble here for two groups of specialists.

Thanks,

~The patients and parents who live with this kind of reality.






Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
"Part 2: Pertinent Food Allergy Education in a Pediatric Ambulatory Care Setting with a Focus on Anaphylaxis"

http://jaa.sagepub.com/content/3/4/162.full.pdf

Page 163
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patients could also benefit from a greater understanding of risk recognition and learning to differentiate between symptoms/treatment related to asthma versus a food-induced allergic reaction.

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More than 75% of the parents were able to identify most laryngeal or respiratory symptoms of anaphylaxis, although less than 50% cited hoarseness or repetitive cough as symptoms.


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Tweeted by @hhask

"Why Bad Doctors Are Like Bad Writers: The Curse Of Knowledge"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2014/09/27/why-bad-doctors-are-like-bad-writers-the-curse-of-knowledge/

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When the host interrupted and asked him to explain the work more clearly, he seemed genuinely surprised and not a little annoyed. This is the kind of stupidity I am talking about.

Call it the Curse of Knowledge: a difficulty in imagining what it is like for someone else not to know something that you know.

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FARE webinar - "Your Questions Answered: Anaphylaxis"
Dr. Robert A. Wood
http://blog.foodallergy.org/2013/11/15/your-questions-answered-anaphylaxis/

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How can you distinguish between symptoms of anaphylaxis and other illnesses? (e.g., asthma attack, random hives, stomach cramps, or anxiety attack)

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The symptoms can be identical. What we want to do is interpret the symptoms in the context of the overall situation and the chance that there’s been a food exposure.


The curse of knowledge  :bonking: ... most patients just don't think this way ... not being a doctor or scientist, I do not have this particular curse.   :P

Just talking about the general concept here ... of course, Dr. Wood is one of the most  :heart: in the FA community.





Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
really sad, another UK death from nuts in a curry.


"Stanhope gardener died from nut allergy after eating curry"
http://tinyurl.com/kyffg7z

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after just a few mouthfuls of his chicken tikka, he started coughing violently and his lips turned blue.


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The 32-year-old initially thought he was suffering an asthma attack, but after his inhaler failed to work, he told friend Stephanie Hodgson: “S***, I’m allergic to nuts”.



  :-[


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'I had an asthma attack because of a slice of lemon': Food allergy epidemic that experts fear may be caused by pollen and modern diet
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2875028/Food-allergy-epidemic-experts-fear-caused-pollen-modern-diet.html

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As the waiter approached his table, Ben Abbott knew he was in for a difficult meal.
For the waiter was carrying a jug of water with a slice of lemon in, which Ben is allergic to.

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'Within seconds, my face went red and blotchy, I lost my voice and had an asthma attack.’
Luckily, Ben was carrying antihistamine tablets and his asthma inhaler, so he was able to recover quickly.



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"A Young Girl's Tragic Death Saved the Lives of Four Others"
http://www.redbookmag.com/life/charity/news/a39048/girl-dies-asthma-saves-lives-of-four-donate-organs/

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Rhiannon Westerhold was a spunky and kind-hearted girl.

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Her mom, Roseanne, says that Rhiannon was enjoying dinner at her grandma's house with her father and siblings when suddenly she started having trouble breathing.

"Rhiannon's father, Steve, then gave Rhiannon her puffer and when he realized it was getting worse, he drove her and her siblings to the nearest ambulance,"





Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:57:23 PM
"Schoolboy, 12, died of severe allergic reaction to curry containing peanuts after takeaway staff assured his family it was nut-free"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588674/Schoolboy-12-died-severe-allergic-reaction-curry-containing-peanuts-takeaway-staff-assured-family-nut-free.html

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'I got his inhaler and he took ten breaths from it. The inhaler had no effect and I could tell it wasn’t going well so I straight away rang 999.


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"Victorian Karting Association apologises in court for nut allergy death of boy, 15"
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victorian-karting-association-apologises-in-court-for-nut-allergy-death-of-boy-15-20140217-32vdl.html

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Jack ate a cookie thinking they only contained white chocolate and had an allergic reaction within half an hour, the court heard.
The boy's father, Robert, gave ventolin and then administered CPR when his son collapsed

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Re: Association apologises in court for nut allergy death of boy, 15

Teenagers with asthma at increased risk of life-threatening anaphylaxis
[url]https://www.mcri.edu.au/news/teenagers-asthma-increased-risk-life-threatening-anaphylaxis[/url]

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According to Professor Katie Allen, the concern is that for these teens, an anaphylactic reaction may be more likely to be mistaken for an asthma attack, resulting in delayed administration of an adrenaline (epinephrine) autoinjector and increasing the risk of fatal attacks.

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15-year-old Jack Irvine

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Jack inadvertently ate a biscuit containing macadamia nuts while attending a catered go-karting camp

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Jack had a delay in onset of symptoms and when they appeared they were interpreted as asthma. It was not until an ambulance arrived that Jack’s father realised the reaction was anaphylaxis.


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"Teenagers with asthma have increased risk of anaphylaxis, study finds"
http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/teenagers-with-asthma-have-increased-risk-of-anaphylaxis-study-finds-20160515-govmnj.html

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The link between asthma and anaphylaxis was made from the results of a study of 10,000 adolescents (aged 10-14) in metropolitan Melbourne.

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The link has prompted concerns among health professionals, that a teenager's anaphylactic reaction could be mistaken for an asthma attack, leading to a delay in the administration of a life-saving adrenaline auto injector.






Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on November 17, 2013, 07:58:11 PM
"They keep smiling for Abbie Benford"

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2014/08/22/they-keep-smiling-for-abbie-benford/IaGrzgrFlOWQGfCqJ4HrUN/story.html

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“I heard her wheeze and I grabbed the nebulizer,” says Benford. Then he called 911. Amy Benford injected her daughter with an EpiPen, and then another, but Abbie had lost consciousness and was in cardiac arrest.


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The problem is sometimes the [anaphylaxis] symptoms can be something else. Abbie’s system shut down before we even had a chance to assess and treat her.



 :-[


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Re: You’ve done the right thing by coming here today

The one time my ds went to the ER by ambulance they didn't even believe it was a reaction because he had no hives. I was arguing with the Dr that it wasn't an asthma attack and then the emt who is my neighbor, jumped in and said based on what he saw when he arrived it wasn't asthma. Luckily about ten minutes later his entire body was covered and I made the nurse get the Dr immediately to see them.


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Re: Connecting "FA Action Plan" with "Asthma Action Plan"

I think this points to some serious issues getting OTHERS to even follow an anaphylaxis treatment plan when they think that they are dealing with "just asthma."




Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 01, 2014, 09:15:06 AM
"May is National Asthma and Allergy Awareness Month!"
http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=10&sub=99&cont=457
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Each year, the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA) declares May to be "National Asthma and Allergy Awareness Month.


Seemed like a good time to bump this thread.

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Sooooo, I think that I've finally said most of what I want to say on this topic ... it's only taken me a few years ... not too bad  ;D .

One thing that I  :heart: about FAS is that it is a safe environment to push boundaries on things, to really explore issues deeply.  There is a unique mix of people here with different experiences and educational backgrounds ... but we all deal with FA and can communicate with each other on that level ... there's a synergy.

My feeling is that sometimes patient perspective & ideas can be difficult to communicate to others. 

I hope that if any of my current docs stumble across this thread, they will understand that the ideas in this thread are really a heart & soul passion of mine that I wasn't ready to let go of.  I know that I can ask them any question regarding dd's health and I have so much trust in their ability to care for dd  :heart:.

From past experience, though, I've learned that discussing general ideas (not directly related to dd) is something different ... being too open or being too passionate can have negative consequences ... maybe it crosses some line of proper doctor-patient etiquette ... I don't know.  It seems that my IRL mom & online id's have started to merge a bit and I guess that I have to find the right balance.

Which brings me back to FAS - this is my safe place to push limits.  :smooch:

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Whether anything will come of this thread - that's for others to decide, I'm not a medical professional ... but I've said what I wanted to say.

I do think that these issues are important for those dealing with FA to be aware of.  I find that newbies especially could benefit from more education on these topics.  I would suggest that people discuss with their docs any questions that they have regarding their specific allergy and/or asthma plans.  This is something that you want to have an understanding of before an emergency occurs.

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I'll save a couple of spaces for later, but like I said, I think that I'm mostly done with this.

 

Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 01, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
Related topic:

If you were an allergy researcher ...


Tweeted by @Aller_MD

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"A brave new world – ‘research with’ not ‘research on’ patients"
[url]http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2014/05/20/international-clinical-trials-day-2014/?utm_content=buffer0e6f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/url]

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Since the recognition and acceptance of patient and public involvement, there has been a rapid accumulation of evidence regarding its worth and it has been implemented in many health-care systems across the globe.




I found this interesting:

[url]http://susannahfox.com/2014/05/17/false-boundaries-in-health-care/[/url]

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Why shouldn’t research questions be generated by people with the disease being studied? Why shouldn’t research teams make sure there’s a seat at the table — more than one! — for people most affected by their work?




Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 01, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
Tweeted by @sarahjchapman


"Salhouse boy died from allergic reaction, inquest told"
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/salhouse_boy_died_from_allergic_reaction_inquest_told_1_3604602

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Edward Debbage, who died on February 10

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range of food allergies and also suffered from asthma

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suspected asthma attack


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I saw this mentioned at KFA


"Man died an hour after being treated for peanut allergy"
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-died-an-hour-after-being-treated-for-peanut-allergy-26531233.html

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Mr Schatten, who suffered from asthma, said he had a bit of a cough and that his chest was tight and indicated he wanted to go home to get his medication for asthma.

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A post mortem found he had died of an acute hypersensitivity reaction or anaphylactic reaction to peanut.


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 :-[



Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on May 01, 2014, 09:16:45 AM
Re: If you were an allergy researcher ...


Tweeted by @Richard56

"Richard Smith: Why scientists should be held to a higher standard of honesty than the average person"
[url]http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2014/09/02/richard-smith-why-scientists-should-be-held-to-a-higher-standard-of-honesty-than-the-average-person/[/url]

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The true scientist (if there is such a person) will be delighted when his or her favourite hypothesis is slayed by data.





Um-- well.


"Delighted" might be overstating things just slightly.   ;)

  "Intrigued and excited" though-- that much I buy.   :yes:




I'm ok with this idea getting slayed if I know that it has really been heard ... I didn't know how to ask more as "mom" without offending & I was afraid of getting a second confirming opinion of me as PITA google-mom which I couldn't risk doing at the time.

Anyway ... I'm fine leaving things as is or I'm fine talking about it more ... I don't need an answer ... but I needed to finish my thoughts / my questions here.





Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on August 31, 2015, 08:34:40 AM
Tweeted by @MayContainNut


"Schoolboy treated for asthma died of anaphylactic reaction prompts calls for allergy rethink"
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/schoolboy-treated-for-asthma-died-of-anaphylactic-reaction-prompts-calls-for-rethink-20150826-gj88jh.html

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Marcus had been struggling for breath after playing after-school sport. The Ventolin wasn't working. He had gone to the office and said: "It's my asthma."

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The focus was always on the asthma. Somewhere along the line someone should have joined the dots.



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Re: Social Media



I'd be lying if I said that I was satisfied leaving this thread as is ...
Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"

I think we as a community can do better ... I'd like to see some big fat discussions on this topic with allergists, pulmos, FASers (& others would also be welcome like KFA), etc.  This topic still bugs me, this is my main loose end.  I'd like to see us all go at it ... talk back to each other ... communicate & see if we can't better address the problem of ana being mistaken for asthma.







Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on April 20, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
I'm sorry guys ... I don't want to annoy anybody here by bumping this again ... if admins really want me to quit this, I will ... my stubborn side can be both a strength & a weakness ... I've been doing my best to try and let this thing go ... really ... but when I hear about another death.  :-[

I just feel so strongly about this issue and nobody has convinced me that this asthma plan idea does not have the potential to save lives ...

To be clear, I'm not expecting our doc to answer this for me ... this is a Links thing, not a Mom thing ... the possibility of me "agreeing to disagree" with Yoda ... chutzpah?, foolishness?, something.



Anyway, I'm going to save a few spots ...






Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on April 20, 2016, 08:38:53 AM
Re: In Memory:  Remembering those who've had fatal food reactions


"Student's puffer had expired, coroner finds"
http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/12/students-puffer-had-expired-coroner-finds

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It was either an allergic reaction or asthma

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Either way, Avina did not get all the care that might have saved him, the coroner disclosed

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That EpiPen, whose needle delivers a precise dose of epinephrine, would have caused no harm if it was asthma rather than an allergic reaction


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Ok ... the writer of this blog is not a doc & I am not a doc ... again, don't consider this medical advice, but ... please, discuss these issues with your own allergist and/or pulmo if you have both asthma & FA.


"Tragic Death of Javier Avina Teaches Hard Lessons To Us All"
http://blog.onespotallergy.com/2016/04/tragic-death-of-javier-avina-teaches-hard-lessons-to-us-all/

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Before “puffers” were invented sixty years ago, epinephrine was always the emergency rescue treatment for asthma.

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To help avoid any confusion when asthma alone is suspected, I suggest that every Emergency Action Plan for children with asthma state that “If rescue inhaler does not provide significant relief, use EpiPen immediately, then call 911”.


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Since I have pretty much been outing myself like crazy these days ... why not continue the trend?  Our pulmo wouldn't put epi in dd's asthma plan red zone ... maybe a tad radical for him  :P ... but he did put this wording in the comment section of our asthma plan:

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In the event that severe symptoms suddenly develop following a meal or snack, please utilize Food Allergy Action Plan.  Consider EpiPen admin during Red Zone treatment plan if asthma symptoms do not promptly improve.


Our school nurse always highlights this wording and it gives her the authority and flexibility to use epi even if she's not sure if asthma or ana.  An interesting thing she told me this year was that the asthma plan of another child (she didn't name names of course) at the school had epi in asthma red zone and she thought of me.   :)   She's a great school nurse.   :heart:






Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on April 20, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
Re: In Memory:  Remembering those who've had fatal food reactions


"Parents Of Allergy Victim Press For Broader Warnings"
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/01/22/ramsey-man-22-dies-of-reaction-to-peanuts/

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Brian and Beth Kelly’s son, Bruce, died

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“When he got to my house, out of the truck, he was already gasping for air. He thought it was his asthma, and so he asked for his inhaler,” Brian said.

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Brian and his other son, Ryan, administered epinephrine, but Bruce had already gone into cardiac arrest.


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Tweeted by @kfatweets

http://www.aafa.org/page/anaphylaxis-severe-allergic-reaction.aspx#.Vx0TzT9VU8g.twitter

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How Can I Tell the Difference Between Anaphylaxis and Asthma?

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If you are unsure if it is anaphylaxis or asthma:

Use your epinephrine auto-injector first (it treats both anaphylaxis and asthma).
Then use your asthma relief inhaler (e.g. albuterol).
Call 911 and go to the hospital by ambulance.


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"Farm family reeling after sudden death of teenager"
http://www.americanfarm.com/publications/the-new-jersey-farmer/2745-farm-family-reeling-after-sudden-death-of-teenager

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Katherine Cassidy Schaefer, 18, died after a severe asthma attack on Dec. 30

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lifelong allergy to milk products

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She said normally if Kaycee had a reaction it would be immediate, but this time it was about 40 minutes later when she felt the tingling sensation that she knew preceded an allergic reaction. She reached for her inhaler and her friend went for some Benedryl, and he quickly called 911.






Title: Re: Standard Protocol for "Asthma Action Plans"
Post by: LinksEtc on April 20, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
Educational info at places like AAFA & FARE are good, but this has to be addressed by a doc for every patient having both asthma & LTFA during the medical appointment imo ... every patient with asthma & LTFA needs education on this issue imo ... formally having FA instructions (ex - indicating when patient should be following their food allergy plan instead of just giving asthma meds) in the asthma plan of those with FA would likely reinforce this education & help the patient to educate others from places like schools & camps imo.